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AIBU to have reacted like this?

23 replies

faithinthesound · 26/08/2017 13:39

I don't think I am, but I'm betting someone will be along shortly to tell me I am!

The players: me and my roommate.
The scene: We're both sitting on the couch, watching GoT, and having a few drinks. We're neither of us drunk, just tipsy. He decides to switch from bourbon and coke to raspberry lemonade.

Him: Here, have some of this.
Me: No, thanks.
Him: Ah, go on. Have some.
Me: Thanks, but seriously, no.
Him: Just have a little bit. A mouthful.
Me: Dude, no!
Him: Just have a taste!
Me: For fuck's sake, I said no! No means no!

At this point I got up and left. He spent the rest of the night pouting, because he thinks this is about a mouthful of raspberry lemonade. I spent the rest of the night fuming, because to me, it's about saying no politely and clearly and having that ignored.

Just so I'm not drip feeding, this isn't the first instance of its sort in our history (we've lived together over ten years). One that stands out in my mind was when we were both joking around in the kitchen, and he blocked me in a corner so I couldn't get out (still joking, still laughing). I panicked, because I have issues around being trapped like that. He couldn't understand why I went from laughing to screaming in the space of thirty seconds, so when I'd calmed down I explained to him that he'd really scared me.

Him: But you know I'd never hurt you!
Me: But you're much bigger and much stronger than me, and the second you decide to hurt/trap me, there is literally less than nothing I can do about it. Can you see how that's so incredibly scary for me?
Him: You know me. You know I'm not like that.
Me: When people panic, it doesn't matter what they know. They're acting on instinct and fear, and you made me frightened!

After that, he kind of "got it" and he's never done it since - I actually see him being really careful not to do it. So I think the issue is not that he's malicious, but rather that he's unaware how he can come across. So my issue this time is that he's not "getting it" that it's not about the stupid raspberry lemonade, it's about me needing to be able to say no and having it respected. He thinks I'm making a fuss over being offered a drink, and the reality is, I'm upset because if this is how hard he pushes a mouthful of bloody raspberry lemonade, how hard will he push something that actually matters? How trivial and ineffectual will my "no" be rendered when the context is higher stakes than raspberry lemonade?

A few notes:

  • In the past when something like this has happened, he's listened to my explanation and assimilated the information and modified his behavior accordingly
  • I don't make a fuss like this over everything, just the important things - such as my boundaries being disrespected
  • I have done my best to explain things calmly, just as in the other situations (just want to make that clear so I don't get a bunch of people telling me to "just sit down and explain it to him" - that will be this thread's "cancel the check"!)
  • He is not abusive, he's not cruel, he's not any of those things. I've read The Gift of Fear, and I'm savvy about red flags. There are none here. He's just... thoughtless sometimes.

I can remember a couple of weeks ago there was a thread about a boy who refused a sandwich several times and the old lady wouldn't stop asking, so the young boy lost his temper. He was pasted by a large number of people for being a poorly behaved child. I'm the boy here, and my roommate is the elderly lady. I posted on that thread supporting the boy because I know how he feels (no means no, no matter who is asking, and no matter what they're offering).

OP posts:
timetositdown · 26/08/2017 13:42

No you are not - I don't think he's malicious or anything - just incredibly thoughtless.

FartSmeller · 26/08/2017 13:43

Very irritating on his part but I think you are making a mountain out of a molehill

FallingOrbit · 26/08/2017 13:44

It's quite annoying when someone is kinda insistent on you doing something you don't want to do, like drink a drink you don't actually want. But I don't think any harm was intended.

The second example (the trapping) I think is a case of taking a joke too far, a joke which you (understandably btw) didn't find funny.

He doesn't sound like an arse hole, just inappropriate and possibly a bit irritating.

EvansOvalPies · 26/08/2017 13:49

I don't think you're being unreasonable at all. It's the same as if people are out for the night, there is always someone who tries to persuade you to dance to a song that you don't like. You say 'No', but they persist. Or if you say you don't want to drink anything alcoholic because you're driving/on medication/a recovering alcoholic/or any other reason why you don't want a glass of wine or a whisky and lemonade, but there is always someone who persists and persists and won't take 'No' for an answer. It is bullying.

faithinthesound · 26/08/2017 13:51

To be clear, intellectually I know he didn't mean me any harm. That's not the point.

The point is I said no and he didn't respect it.

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Bluntness100 · 26/08/2017 13:52

I think you're being a bit precious. It was a daft conversation on lemonade. And you screamed??? Within thirty seconds? Do you people tell you you over react often?

MammaTJ · 26/08/2017 13:54

YANBU, the same as the boy was not with the boy and the Granny.

I hate when people will not take no for an answer.

You actually sound like you have the patience of a saint around your flatmate, repeatedly explaining things to him! I would have lost it by now.

EvansOvalPies · 26/08/2017 13:55

Bluntness - the lemonade incident wasn't the screaming within 30 seconds - that was ANOTHER incident when the friend had OP backed into a corner and wouldn't let her go and she panicked.

FallingOrbit · 26/08/2017 13:56

I'm not disagreeing with you OP. I just think the intent matters.

Like I said, it's bloody annoying when people do that but I think calling it a lack of respect is possibly overdoing it. Sometimes when someone is keen for you to try something they will try to persuade you because they genuinely believe that if you just go ahead and try it you'll be glad you did. Whether they end up being right about that is of course another matter. Ok it doesn't make much sense for someone to insist you try some raspberry lemonade (or whatever it was) but I'm not ure I'd go so far as to call it a lack of respect.

Bluntness100 · 26/08/2017 13:56

Evans I'm aware of that..,I read the op.i was referring to two different situations,

EvansOvalPies · 26/08/2017 14:03

Oh, Bluntness - didn't seem so. You said: It was a daft conversation on lemonade. And you screamed??? Within thirty second
Didn't seem you'd understood the two situations were entirely separate.

Zvandelle · 26/08/2017 14:07

I can completely see how this escalated. It's not the lemonade, it's the listening. Also, now you're going to have to be nice about it. You're right of course, but for him to hear it you are going to have to have a discussion that's not in the moment...it's a tricky one, I've had this with male friends, you don't want to make it a gender thing, or a told off by mummy thing, or that thing that they know you don't like it but don't understand what "it" really is. I had to have a "pretend I'm a man saying this" voice with an old flat mate - it just alerted him to the fact I felt that I wasn't being heard. He had a "just pretend I'm a woman" voice to make it fair. It helped us get over stuff in a funny, non-combative way. Just a thought. I know this isn't about gender really, just saying what helped us. Good luck out there in the patriarchy!!! Xx

BarbarianMum · 26/08/2017 14:07

I totally get you re: the blocking in but i think screaming because someone repeated offers lemonade to you is an overreaction. Its annoying to keep saying no to it but that's all it is.

faithinthesound · 26/08/2017 14:08

Intent isn't magical.

If you're gesticulating wildly while having an animated conversation with a friend, and accidentally hit me in the face and give me a bloody nose, of course you didn't INTEND to hit me. But my nose is still bleeding, isn't it?

He may not have intended to scare me when he had me backed into a corner. But I was still frightened.

He may not have intended to communicate that my "no" is meaningless - his intent may have been to offer me a drink. But the fact remains that the message came across that he doesn't respect me saying no, whether he intended that or not. At the end of the day, it's not about the bloody raspberry lemonade, it's about him listening to me.

And yes, I screamed. Within thirty seconds. I have issues around feeling trapped based on prior trauma (oh good, not only am I going to get accused of drip feeding after all, I've been goaded into sharing private and sensitive personal history with internet strangers in the name of defending myself, goody). When I feel trapped, the lizard brain takes over.

OP posts:
faithinthesound · 26/08/2017 14:09

I didn't scream at the lemonade! I walked away! RTFOP!

I screamed at the trapping thing, but that was hardly a conscious decision on my part.

OP posts:
MineKraftCheese · 26/08/2017 14:09

YANBU.

No means no.

FallingOrbit · 26/08/2017 14:19

and accidentally hit me in the face and give me a bloody nose, of course you didn't INTEND to hit me. But my nose is still bleeding, isn't it?

Yeah, it is. What's your point? We live in a world where shit happens, it ain't perfect. That's why I give, or at least try to give, people credit for their best intentions even if the end results are far from ideal.

I'm not saying you're necessarily being unreasonable, but at the same time I don't think he was particularly so either.
If you're hoping for a landslide vote in your favour it doesn't look like you're going to get it. I understand where you're coming from, but I also think you're making too much noise about it. Mountains and molehills.

Disclaimer - I'm only referring to the lemonade thing as I think most of us agree about the other incident.

Pengggwn · 26/08/2017 14:33

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HunterHearstHelmsley · 26/08/2017 14:40

YABU.

You cannot compare trying to insist you have some lemonade with "no means no" in a different context. With having you trapped, you say you were screaming within 30 seconds. That's not enough time to "not let you go". You were messing around and suddenly decided it wasn't fun anymore and just expected him to know. That's weird.

If I lived with someone who kept having ridiculous over reactions; I'd consider moving out.

BMW6 · 26/08/2017 14:41

What a weird person (your roommate)! Who the fuck does that strange shit?

If I were a suspicious person I'd start to wonder what was in the "lemonade" since he was so adamant that you *must" have some......

Tell him from me - he's an utter knob.

FallingOrbit · 26/08/2017 14:41

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That.

FallingOrbit · 26/08/2017 14:47

As in what Hunter said.

annielouise · 26/08/2017 15:51

A bit confused as roommate in the UK to me is you're sharing a room in a house or flat. Are you flatmates as in sharing a flat but your own bedrooms? I think in the US roommate can mean sharing a flat with separate bedrooms as in flatmate over here. Apologies if you are American (as I think you might be with the use of bourbon and dude).

Just not sure if this is some set-up where due to cost you share a bedroom to save money (I know a few that do in London due to need). If so, then I think you're both doing well to have managed to share a place for ten years together with so few arguments. Yes, he shouldn't have pushed the issue but he probably likes the lemonade and wanted you to like it too. I doubt he spiked it if he hasn't done anything dodgy like that in the ten years you've shared a room or flat.

He should learn to take no for an answer but equally after ten years he sounds pretty ok. A lot of marriages don't last that.

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