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AIBU?

Raw milk?

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Barbie222 · 26/08/2017 13:18

Just asking for advice really. I like making my own yoghurt and cottage cheese, trying to make us all healthier etc etc.

My friend reckons I should use raw milk to make it as it'll be even healthier but I always heard it was full of awful stuff and pasteurisation was invented for a reason.

Is she right about raw milk or is it a risk for little ones?

I think I had raw milk when I was a kid and didn't get sick but pretty sure the advice has changed.

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DameDiazepamTheDramaQueen · 26/08/2017 14:42

I eat a lot of raw spinach and mushrooms. Shit!

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lljkk · 26/08/2017 14:42

Raw cow's milk is probably great for baby cows. Maybe not so great for people.

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SummerLovingGal · 26/08/2017 14:44

I've drunk raw milk my whole life as have my dcs as we have a dairy farm.

That said, I don't think it is entirely risk free, especially if you are a 'raw milk virgin'. I think it's fine for my family as we are used to it, but when people ask me if they can buy raw milk from us I say no. I'm too worried that their systems aren't used to it and it might make them poorly.

Also, if I lived in a TB area I wouldn't touch it with a barge pole.

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LassWiTheDelicateAir · 26/08/2017 14:50

I grew up drinking raw milk and my mother would definitely have drunk raw milk through both her prenancies (1958 and 1969)

We made our own butter and cheese from our own raw milk kept in a cold , dairy room. Must have been early 70s before we got a fridge. I much prefer cheese made from raw milk.

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Witsender · 26/08/2017 14:52

Raw milk is great from a decent source.

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Ttbb · 26/08/2017 14:52

Raw milk is an unnecessary risk. I take it your friends is also convinced that vaccines cause autism and antiseptics make you sick.

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PookieSnackenberger · 26/08/2017 14:53

I'm always nervous of raw milk as my Uncle contracted TB Meningitis from raw milk as a child. He was incredibly lucky to survive (the other 9 children affected died) but ended up profoundly deaf as a result of the treatment. He was in hospital for a year.

Not worth the risk IMO, unless like SummerLovinGal you really know where it has come from.

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Kursk · 26/08/2017 15:00

I said it because I believe it, it makes sense and I was under the impression that it was normal for people to be interested in where food comes from.

I am being general, where as you are being very detail specific.

If you want to blindly pick items off a shelf then that's your choice.

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grandOlejukeofYork · 26/08/2017 15:01

It is normal for people to be interested in where food comes from. That has nothing at all to do with your statement, which was entirely wrong.

So, you were wrong and now you are conflating two completely separate issues. What is even the point of commenting?

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user1497357411 · 26/08/2017 15:03

there was a case in the states a couple of years ago when a child drank raw milk and then needed a new liver. And I also googled and immediately found this:
www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2016/nov/11/childs-death-most-likely-linked-to-consumption-of-unpasteurised-milk-says-coroner

www.theage.com.au/victoria/toddler-dies-four-children-seriously-ill-after-drinking-raw-cows-milk-20141210-124lx8.html

www.foodsafetynews.com/2014/10/draft-amy-nordykes-story/#.WaF_aCjyjIU

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QuackDuckQuack · 26/08/2017 15:04

It's worth bearing in mind that not all children have the TB vaccine now - its only given to those in at risk communities/families. So raw milk might be a TB risk to many children who have had all of their childhood vaccinations.

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TwistedReach · 26/08/2017 15:04

Does anyone know anything about the evidence saying that raw white mushrooms are dangerous (Im sure if it was clear it would be much better known!) I know I could google but just wonder if anyone knows more (evidence based not instinct based...)

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grandOlejukeofYork · 26/08/2017 15:07

Mushrooms should be cooked. The evidence that the toxins contained in raw mushrooms are dangerous is quite sketchy (Studies on rats that are inconsistent) but since raw mushrooms are essentially indigestible anyway and you need to cook them to release any nutrients, there is little point to eating them raw.

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Kursk · 26/08/2017 15:07

Stating something that makes sense to me, I am really not interested in arguing with you

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TwistedReach · 26/08/2017 15:08

But they taste so good in salad! (thanks)

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grandOlejukeofYork · 26/08/2017 15:08

Well don't go around making sweeping statements that are completely wrong then, because people will obviously argue with you.

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BertrandRussell · 26/08/2017 15:36

"I said it because I believe it, it makes sense and I was under the impression that it was normal for people to be interested in where food comes from"

I am very interested in where my food comes from. That is why I know that it is not always better for you in its natural state.

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ILoveMillhousesDad · 26/08/2017 15:43

Raw cow's milk is probably great for baby cows. Maybe not so great for people

Agreed

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MollyHuaCha · 26/08/2017 16:28

Those asking me for evidence that pasteurized and homogenized milk is associated with chronic degenerative disease... well, I'm not a scientist or a doctor. I have no proof to give you.

But a quick internet search will lead you to plenty of articles making this link.

I spent my childhood guzzling the white stuff - my mum thought a pint a day per person (just as drinks) was healthy. And I had more than this because of all the milk and cheese in recipes etc. At age 17 i became noticeably intolerant to milk, notched up my first lifelong debilitating auto-immune disease and have since added two more.

Anecdotal? Maybe... but I do think pasteurized and homogenized milk is a significant contributory factor to 1st world chronic ill-health.

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grandOlejukeofYork · 26/08/2017 16:33

But a quick internet search will lead you to plenty of articles making this link

A quick internet search will give you plenty of articles that tell you sugar pills can cure cancer and the Queen is a lizard.

Anecdotal? Maybe... but I do think pasteurized and homogenized milk is a significant contributory factor to 1st world chronic ill-health

That is a MASSIVE claim to make based in your own experience of 2 unrelated life events that you have stuck together as cause and effect for no real reason.

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Ollivander84 · 26/08/2017 16:39

I had it once as a child and was severely ill for quite a while from it so I'm put off it now! I suspect it was the conditions it was in (not clean) rather than the milk

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apostropheuse · 26/08/2017 16:40

My mother had TB through drinking raw milk when she was eight years old. She almost died. Her sister wasn't so fortunate and died aged 21 for the same reason.

I just wouldn't risk it.

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GruffaloPants · 26/08/2017 16:55

My school friend got tb, believed to be from "raw" milk. She was previously healthy. I'd give it a miss.

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BertrandRussell · 26/08/2017 17:04

"Anecdotal? Maybe... but I do think pasteurized and homogenized milk is a significant contributory factor to 1st world chronic ill-health."

And you think this because you drank pasteurized milk as a child and now have an auto immune disease?

Did you eat apples as a child? Did you regularly have baths? Did you read books with printers ink on the pages? Wear woolen jumpers? Nylon socks?

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LinoleumBlownapart · 26/08/2017 17:30

To make those things you have to heat the milk anyway, so you are essentially pasturising or heating it yourself. If it's pasturised before then it's double pasturised or heated twice rather than once, so maybe your friend has a point, not sure if it'll matter too much to be honest. It will not be homogenised though if it's raw which is good because it will have the fat, you'll need this for yogurt. We have dairy cows and always heat the milk before we drink it. We have unpasteurised cheese though. Raw milk is fine for most, but many are less immune than others.

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