Is anyone still optimistic about Brexit?

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Given things like this:

www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/uk-economy-growth-q2-2017-half-eurozone-eu-europe-second-quarter-a7909706.html

Boris, Nigel and all the other self-interested gobshites "politicians" - you have a lot to answer for .

Nope :( (never was, never will be! Hardcore Remainer/Remoaner here).

DD is interrailing at the moment. In Rome, the exchange rate she got had the pound worth less than the Euro. It's a fucking nightmare, but Brexiters won't be told

Rich, not rich. Definitely not rich

Rush! What's wrong with this iPad?

Nope but never was.

Never was from the beginning. I'm a realist not a fantacist.

Nope
No
Never fucking ever.

I get paid in euros and my salary is going up every month, that said, it's terrible. My work colleagues have a good laugh at the 'idiot Brits'. I'm in Europe a lot and we are even more the butt of jokes than we ever were. This is such a stupid farce that I'm ashamed. What total idiocy. How anyone could've thought this was a good idea is beyond me.

I'm a remainer - not an uber strong one as I still think there are many areas in which the EU needs to change things and yet stubbornly refuses to...but that's another topic.

However I view the government's continuing moves towards it like a surgeon who has just been informed he is amputating the wrong leg and who say's "well I might as well continue because I've already made the first incision." That's about the extent of the logic behind continuing with Brexit, we've started so we'll finish for no better reason than that.

Not the first time the Pound's value has dropped against the Euro. It dipped even lower at the end of 2008, and close to €1.10 to the pound a fair few times during 09-11.

But no, I'm not optimistic about Brexit. I see a UK government that's weak and been pissing about, and I think any deal we make is likely to be rushed and poor for Britain. And going forward, the UK doesn't have the economic clout to make equal trade deals with the likes of the USA, China, India; whatever deals we do make will be on their terms.

I'm very optimistic. I live outside the UK so trips home will be really really cheap. It might force a Scottish ref so I might get a Scottish passport. It means I will never live back in the UK so that decision is made. And it's really interesting to watch. Is that what you meant?

If I still lived there I'd be terrified.

People don't like to admit they're wrong though, so we'll end up jumping off the cliff regardless.

Still positive?

Nope, never was. I think the country has made the biggest mistake in its history. But as they say, what's done is done.

I'm a Remainer but usually a fervent optimist so, after the referendum, I was sad but thinking 'it will all work out in the end'.
Now, I honestly feel like we're on the precipice of a total catastrophe.David Davis obviously doesn't have the slightest clue what he's doing. I'm furious with Theresa May for wasting 2 months of negotiating time and hundreds of millions of £ by holding a pointless GE after solemnly swearing about 50 times that she wouldn't.
It's beyond depressing.
Nobody has the slightest clue what is going to happen about Ireland. DH is Northern Irish and his DM's brother was killed in the troubles and she is absolutely beside herself with worry about Brexit. She's nearly 80 and not in great health and I hate to think of the last years of her life being clouded by fear.
So, no, I'm not feeling optimistic. I'm still clinging to the hope that the government will wake up to how impossible the whole thing is in the time frame we have and just quietly scrap the whole thing.

Yes, I voted Leave and I'm still optimistic. Bored of Remainers still moaning and crying over a year later, spreading doom and gloom about the place.

I was a hardcore Remainer. Cried (I am very much not a crier) when the result rolled in. I could argue the finer points for hours but for now I am just rolling with the (political and economic) punches. I don't feel positive but I have made peace with what it is, for the most part.

Nope. Never was. Amazed at how inept this government is though.
It'll take decades to recover.
On the upside found out loads about people including the primary school teacher who asked the kids to put up their hands and tell them which way their parents' voted and broke the law

'Bored of Remainers still moaning and crying over a year later, spreading doom and gloom about the place.'

Spreading doom and gloom? Reporting the facts you mean? Moaning and crying as every day it becomes clearer that Project Fear was actually Project Truth? Must be so annoying for you.

However I view the government's continuing moves towards it like a surgeon who has just been informed he is amputating the wrong leg and who say's "well I might as well continue because I've already made the first incision." That's about the extent of the logic behind continuing with Brexit, we've started so we'll finish for no better reason than that.

This.

'Bored of Remainers still moaning and crying over a year later, spreading doom and gloom about the place.'

Spreading doom and gloom? Reporting the facts you mean? Moaning and crying as every day it becomes clearer that Project Fear was actually Project Truth? Must be so annoying for you.

THIS

Being paid in Euros now so finding shopping trips for UK essentials in Belfast much better now. Am a remainer but moved to Dublin as a response to Brexit.

I think that what SilverySurfer doesnt see is that the doom and gloom is either a market response to facts or being spread by leavers. There has been much amusement in Ireland that the standard Brexiter case to deal with Ireland seems to be emotionally underpinned by a real belief the Ireland should basically rejoin the UK and not be so keen on this sovereignty thing (despite the grossly uninformed bleating about sovereignty being the second issue for leavers).

Brexit is a hard thing to do and will have a hard impact. Good luck agreeing new flight rules for tourists and importing radioactive materials for xray machines when you have no agreements in place to do so. The world is not as it was when the UK entered the EU. In the 1970s, the Uk was still getting over the collapse of the empire and was still used to telling foreigners what to do. After getting annoyed that the EU didnt do what it wanted England and Wales have forced a Brexit. The problem is that the rest of the world runs on regional and international agreements, few of which the UK is a member (the EU is). And they take while to get signed.

One of the main issues is also the only thing you get from a "leaver" is the stock response "I'm bored of remoaners moaning", they can't for a second offer 1 reason as to why leaving is the better option.

From what I can see all the high profile Leavers have pretty much given up on shouting about how great things will be in Brexit Britain. Now the tone is decidedly 'We'll survive. Things won't be so bad'.

When I said "still" optimistic - I meant Leavers I suppose. I don't expect any Remainers to feel optimistic.

Also a hardcore remainer. Cannot believe the shitshow that has gone on in this country since June 2016. Truly shameful. And all so the Rees-Moggs of this world can wallow in their imperialist day dreams, and get rid of pesky EU directives which do inconvenient things like protect us - the cannon fodder.

And as for yesterday's revelations about the lies told about immigration figures. The whole thing was built on utter deceit.