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To need a secret rant about kind-but-stinky FIL

16 replies

ellyfunt · 24/08/2017 15:39

Arrrrgh. OK.

DH's father is coming for lunch at the weekend and I already have a slight sinking feeling at the thought. He is a lovely, gentle, kind man. I do find him quite difficult to make conversation with, but that's only because we don't have much in common. He wouldn't hurt a fly, he's sweet and generous, and for all that I don't find him easy company I do respect him and feel affection for him.

But. His hygiene is, and has always been, grim. He simply doesn't shower or bathe so far as I can work out. He uses dry shampoo and nothing else for months on end, his hair is stuck down to his head with grease (it's definitely not product). I think he maybe wipes the crucial body parts with baby wipes or something and then uses deodorant? And he washes his clothes occasionally. It's not out-and-out armpit BO all the time, more this all-pervading sickly mustiness. Last time he got in our car I had to hush my older son from going 'URRH what's that horrible SMELL' - he thought it was something in the air outside the car, he didn't realise it was FIL.

His table manners are... not good. He ducks his head right down to his plate, eats fast with lots of lip-smacking and heavy breathing. And he burps with his mouth open. Admittedly I have a bit of a thing about eating noises anyway, but this is definitely not pleasant to be around.

We don't go to his house any more because it is too dirty and cluttered for the kids. I am no neat freak, quite the opposite, but it is squalid. There are pieces of furniture that can't be used for their intended purpose because of the clutter on them. His elderly dog has accidents that don't get cleaned up. Once I brushed my hand against the shower curtain in his bathroom and a layer of mouldy grot came off under my nails. Last time we were all there (before our now-toddler was born), my eldest asked to use the toilet and FIL looked slightly panicked and said it would probably be better not to. I don't even want to know what it was like in there.

He lives on his own and I'm sure this doesn't help. But equally I'm not sure anything we can do will make a difference. DH and his sister on a couple of occasions did a huge clean of the house with FIL's permission, and hired a cleaner to come in regularly. The mess crept back, the areas the cleaner could get into became smaller and smaller. Eventually FIL cancelled the cleaner. I think at one point in the past he was quite depressed, but the mess and poor hygiene long predate that period, and have continued even though he has been emotionally much better for years now. I'm sure he's overwhelmed by the idea of sorting it out but frankly so am I - we could spend our lives cleaning up for this grown man and he would still make no effort to maintain it. He's a bit unfit but he's not frail or sick. It's not physically beyond him to clean or carry out better self care. He just chooses not to. Ever.

I never really talk about this to anyone - I would feel very rude saying anything to FIL, and I don't want to hurt DH's feelings or make it difficult for him to see his dad. DH goes to the house sometimes, but the kids and I don't because it's not safe for the little ones. So we invite him round here instead. I cook for everyone and smile and am polite, and feel like a horrible person for being secretly grossed out by this otherwise nice man.

AIBU to be bothered by this? Is there anything I can do or say without being rude? Should I be doing more for him? I don't know whether to try and tackle any of it, or just carry on keeping quiet, or what.

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Cambionome · 24/08/2017 15:44

I don't think you are being unreasonable, but I don't honestly know what you can do to improve the situation without causing a lot of family upset. Sad

Has your dh ever spoken to him about it?

Aquamarine1029 · 24/08/2017 15:48

I think you should have a big conversation with your husband. He needs to be the one to deal with his father. I don't think I could have that man in my home. I don't know how you can even handle this.

buggerthebotox · 24/08/2017 15:49

I have a relative like this. He has mental health problems, but I actually think he may well be like this even if he were well mentally.

How does DIL cope in other areas of his life?

TheVanguardSix · 24/08/2017 15:55

Oh how difficult for you OP. I can totally imagine how grim it all is, how badly you feel but heavens above, you're justified in having a moan. I wonder if you could broach the topic gently with DH. Suggest a weekly carer who can come in and at least help FIL bathe. My FIL had a weekly carer plus a weekly cleaner. It was a worthwhile expense.

For what it's worth, I have a very smelly, belchy MIL who is as warm and fuzzy as a hornets' nest. Grin

RatherBeRiding · 24/08/2017 15:56

Not unreasonable at all to be bothered, and I would be too. But what to do? He obviously has no intention of changing of his own volition.

I think you DH needs to have a very frank conversation with him regarding his own hygiene and if necessary persuade or cajole him into the shower and put all his clothes in the wash. This will depend on how much your DH is bothered, and how he would feel (and his sister) on the confrontation.

If you FIL can afford it, and is open to the idea, you can get a company in to do a deep clean and de-clutter, and once again go down the route of regular cleaner - but obviously the cleaner will have to be daily and be well briefed on what is required.

LoyaltyAndLobster · 24/08/2017 15:59

YANBU - I couldn't be around someone like him, you are very kind for allowing him in your home. If I were you I would ask DH to have a word with him.

Annwithnoe · 24/08/2017 16:06

I have an uncle like this. He's a lifelong bachelor and I don't think living alone for so long has done his mental health any good. He's very frail now and not able to really look after himself now, though he never really did. Bless him he makes a huge effort to clean up when I visit him, and always has a clear chair for me to sit on and almost half the kitchen table grime free Sad
He's also fiercely independent, very disdainful of the excesses of modern consumption and a very lovely man. He would be insulted if I tried to clean up for him, and he hates the interference from the health visitor.
I'm not sure there's much you can do really except be kind to him, but no yanbu to feel as you do.
(I phone him every other day so I don't feel as guilty about not visiting so often)

statetrooperstacey · 24/08/2017 16:07

I have had a couple of relatives like this. Give him a towel and a set of clean clothes and say to him ' would you like a hot shower fil? ' and steer him to the shower, actually take his arm gently but firmly and walk him. He will probably say no but just keep walking and steering and saying I think you need one, it will do you good, won't it feel lovely to be fresh for dinner, I've done your favourite etc etc basically catch him off guard and just tell him he's having one.
It often works.
Or call him invite him round and while on the phone just say will you have a shower before you come please. Does he actually have washing facilities that work and he can access?

ellyfunt · 24/08/2017 16:12

buggerthebotox - he does OK, broadly speaking. He isn't amazing with money but he has a pretty decent income so he can afford to fritter a bit without getting into dire straits. He retired several years ago but previously held down a job.

Thanks all for reading my moan. I think I mostly needed to get it off my chest, to be honest!

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hollyisalovelyname · 24/08/2017 16:20

statetrooper
There is no point in having a shower and then putting his grimy, smelly clothes on.

I have this with a younger relative of mine. They do shower but their clothes are rarely washed and they smoke heavily.
I gag when they are in my car. Window has to be opened.
I daren't broach the subject. World War 3 would break out Sad

monkeysee100 · 24/08/2017 16:26

Another of my pet hates. A family member of mine with bathe once a week and put in dirty clothes. I cannot fathom how they don't smell the bo smell!!

statetrooperstacey · 24/08/2017 22:28

That correct holly, that's why I said to give him a towel and a clean set of clothes.

hollyisalovelyname · 25/08/2017 10:25

Statetrooper I missed that bitBlush
But there is no way I could do that.
I worked with somebody who had a bo problem. We shared kitchen/dining facilities with another branch of our company.
I heard somebody in the other branch say she couldn't bear the smell anymore and she was going to have to say something.

She must have done or said something because the problem ceased. Thankfully.
I was too chicken to say or do anything.

jeaux90 · 25/08/2017 10:43

Your DH needs to deal. My elderly parents got like that and I read them the riot act actually about how their dgc didn't want to hug them and that eating with a smelly person at the table is gross. I said it gently but I said it. Your husband needs to deal.

scarletpopapil · 25/08/2017 12:01

statetrooper - I appreciate the tip but I don't think our relationship is open enough for me to do that - it would be so far out of our 'normal' that he'd think I'd run mad! Even for me to go rummaging for his clean clothes (assuming he has any or that his wardrobe has a clear path to it) would be pretty out there. I've never set foot in his bedroom.

Part of me really dreads the day he does need some physical help looking after himself. :(

scarletpopapil · 25/08/2017 12:01

Ha, namechange fail! Not that it matters but Grin

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