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To quit my vegetarianism and become a hypocrite instead?

164 replies

OverTheHammer · 11/08/2017 15:29

Became a veggie back end of June. Had wanted to do it for years but always thought it would be too difficult. Anyway after watching numerous PETA videos the guilt got too much and I became a veggie. I've since shared PETA videos on Facebook trying to encourage others to follow suit.

Anyway it was piss easy at first and I was telling everyone how easy it was but 2 months later I'm struggling. I've totally lost my appetite. The thought of anymore quorn makes me feel sick. I'm anaemic and never even thought about how vegetarianism would effect my (already extremely low) iron levels. I've also joined a gym and am struggling to eat enough calories to actually keep me going.

My appetite has always been dodgy, I'm also a fussy eater, a shit cook and busy person so can't be faffing every night making lentil this and lentil that ...

Most of the recipes I look at call for meat. Restaurant veggie choices are limited and shit - it's just so fucking difficult.
Then to top it all off, I watched a video last night showing how chickens are mistreated when used solely for egg purposes. I still eat eggs. So really, I'm a hypocrite anyway aren't I?

WIBU to go back on everything I've been saying these past two months and just start eating meat again?

OP posts:
mistlethrush · 12/08/2017 20:53

lljkk - I suppose I come from the Pov that some people have been vegetarian due to their religion for centuries and don't rely on bread and cheese - I know that my mother was influenced by being part of a University Club in the town that we lived in which brought together people from all over the world. One of the things that the club facilitated was cooking lessons - so my mother taught some people to cook traditional yeast bread, and got cooking lessons on, for instance, indian flatbread cooking and vegetarian curries etc... .

What other people eat is up to them - I would never suggest to anyone that eats meat that they shouldn't. But I do think that it is important for people to realise that a vegetarian diet is not really balanced if you're mainly eating bread and cheese.

lljkk · 12/08/2017 21:20

Not exactly a news flash that most vegetarians have diets about as far from perfect as most the non-vegetarians.

Stillwishihadabs · 13/08/2017 08:22

Watching with interest dd about to be 11, after 3 years as a pescatarian is going "full veggi" eg: no fish. OP (or anyone) explain what is wrong with eating free range eggs or organic milk from an animal welfare POV

Stillwishihadabs · 13/08/2017 08:24

Btw none of us can stand quorn. Her protien comes from nuts, pulses and eggs. Can I recommend Liegths vegetarian cook book.

ethelfleda · 13/08/2017 08:38

Stillwishihadabs I'm not sure about milk but with eggs - regardless of how they are treated while they are alive.. the industry still kills millions of make chicks every year as they are not wanted... And the female hens are slaughtered way before their time as egg production slows and they are no longer profitable.
I have to say though I still eat eggs - everyone has to find a balance between health and morals and my rèasons for giving up meat are mainly to do with reducing my carbon footprint.
I do get my eggs from someone who has their own hens though - they are ex battery (so rescue) hens so I don't feel as bad!

Ollycat · 13/08/2017 08:48

It's really easy being veggie. From your post it seems the key to your problems is that you're a fussy eater and I'm guessing from the fact that you're eating quorn (vile stuff) just trying to replicate what you ate before by using meat substitutes.

What do you enjoy eating? What form does your fussy eating take? You need to understand these before thinking what to eat as a vegetarian.

lynmilne65 · 13/08/2017 09:20

bits of animal chewd by combines
A field backed on to my house has just been cut! I darent look !!!! WHERE ARE THE CATS!!!!!!! 😳

kikisparks · 13/08/2017 09:58

Been vegan 7 years, maybe a little hard the first few months but persevere and then it gets easier and easier, it's the best choice I ever made, eating animals or funding their death just isn't for me. It is so much better for the environment, animal agriculture is a bigger cause of climate change than cars, and uses significantly more water and resources than eating plant based. I didn't do it for the health benefits but there are some of those too, a lot less carcinogens in plant foods for example. I'd reccommend Cowspiracy (movie on Netflix about climate change) and the China Study (book). Carnage (BBC iPlayer) good shout too. PETA aren't too well respected even among veggies, they're a bit click-baity in there tactics rather than simple facts.

If those reasons don't really bother you then vegetarianism is probably not going to stick. But if those are concerns for you, here's some practical suggestions.

  1. Cooking at home

Put the quorn aside. Have that maybe once a week as the easy option. In an ideal world, do some batch cooking at the weekend, otherwise I'll offer very quick evening meal ideas too.

Also get a vegan cookbook! If money permits, get a couple- a simple basic one and a more fancy one. For the latter I like veganomicon- it's American and takes a bit of getting used to but the food is omg good. For the other one I can't find the one I have online but there are a few on kindle for £1 and £2. If budget permits there are so many other great ones out there, you could get a few or build up your collection over time.

Some easy, quick food ideas- bean chilli- get some tinned kidney beans and if you want some other beans (black beans, borlotti beans, butter beans) toss in pan with hot oil and whatever veggies you like (I buy pre chopped frozen peppers, mushrooms, sweetcorn, spinach, brocolli, peas and tinned chop carrots, I'm a lazy cook, open and pour some into the pan!) add a crushed stock cube and a jar of chilli sauce, cook til it's all hot. Serve with rice, couscous or over tortilla chips!

Baked potato with hummus and salad- I like McCain pre cooked frozen baked potato, in microwave, slather in margarine (vitalite, pure, koko or flora dairy free all in supermarkets) and add a hefty dollop of hummus, add half a bag of pre pack salad drizzled with vinnaigrette.

Chickpea curry- similar to bean chilli but with chick peas, veg and your fave curry sauce, serve with samosas, chappati and basmati rice (microwave rice if extra can't be bothered)

Vegetable stir fry- veg, bamboo shoots (so high protein), besnsprouts, quorn chicken chunks if you want them (there are vegan versions in Asda) or cauldron pre marinated tofu chunks, or mock duck (holland and Barrett and Chinese shops) or just the veg, add a jar of fave sauce (sweet and sour, black bean etc) or my fave is add soy sauce, garlic, ginger and peanut butter, serve with rice noodles or wholewheat noodles.

Pasta in jar of pasta sauce served with garlic bred

Vegetable tarts using jus roll pre rolled pastry

Soups- tinned or home made, with chunky bread

Sandwiches- veg pate, peanut butter, faux meat, hummus, vegan cheese spread (sold at Tesco, Sainsbury's, Asda), falafel, jam, marmite, avocado.

Most cereals, fortified soya, oat, almond, hemp, coconut or rice milk.

Most crisps, lots of sweets and chocolate.

That's just to get started. Try vegan womble's blog for lists of accidentally vegan products.

  1. Eating out

There are so so many options these days. Zizzi and Pizza Express do pizzas with vegan cheese, las iguanas has a vegan Mexican menu, Nando's do several vegan options burgers, McDonald's has a burger that's vegan without the sauce and the chips are fine, most Indian restaurants have multiple vegan currys, many Chinese restaurants have vegan options, harvester has things marked vegan on the menu, Toby carvery does vegan pies and even a cake, in cafes there's usually baked potato and soup, weatherspoons has vegan options marked on the menu, and so so much more before you even get into the 100s of independent veggie and vegan restaurants.

  1. The community

It's pretty lonely on Facebook sharing PETA videos to a defensive audience. Join your local veggie/ vegan group on Facebook and chat to like minded people, it will give you such a boost, if you feel up to it you can even attend a meet up, and you'll get so many ideas of the best vegan options in your town/ city.

Hope that's of some help and good luck!

crazypenguinlady · 13/08/2017 10:57

I was vegetarian for 5 years and tried going vegan on 3 different occasions, all with plenty of research and long adjustment periods. My body could not handle going vegan and my health was affected despite eating healthfully (as agreed by 2 different doctors) I agree with the principles of a vegan diet but it wasn't for me.

In the end, my body started craving fish so badly that I felt nauseous so I went and bought some. I immediately felt better. As a compromise, I only eat meat from 3 local butchers with high welfare meat, and organic eggs and dairy.

That being said, you can eat well with lots of delicious foods. Some examples include:

Black bean fajitas
Red lentil Bolognese
Sheperdess pie
Thai vegetable curry
Mushroom and chickpea curry
Risotto
Dhal
Channa Masala
Homemade pizza
Tons of pasta recipes
Black bean chilli
Mixed bean chilli

Amongst lots and lots of others.

kittytom · 13/08/2017 11:08

Why not just eat less meat? I am not veggie but hardly eat any (or fish). But when I do I don't feel guilty. And that means I can pay more when I do from places which I know have good welfare standards. I understand that a true veggie wouldn't see this as good enough but eating less meat is a good start.

I do eat dairy but when I can I buy organic free range from a farmer I trust (for example my local riverford or farm shop). I will pay more but since I hardly eat meat it doesn't bother me to I accept this is never going to be perfect (animals are killed in the name of dairy) but I believe supporting farmer's with good ethics.

Don't worry about what anyone else thinks though.

lizzieoak · 13/08/2017 12:50

I've been vegetarian for decades, but then I love to cook.

I'd offer two things:

  1. get some good cookbooks and learn to cook. A good bookshop can make recommendations. Cooking is creative and the payoff is wonderful.

  2. one day at a time. It took me maybe a year before I wasn't having hankerings. Every day I'd say to myself "today I won't eat meat." Today is much easier to deal with than forever.

Str4ngedaysindeed · 13/08/2017 13:11

What I don't really get is farmers and milk and meat producers who insist that their animals are raised healthy, happy, well looked after etc - that is of course lovely and much better than the appalling factory farming but basically they are still killed for meat in the end!! I just can't look at a beautiful cow or pig or sheep in a lovely field and think 'oh what a lovely life', I just get sad because I know they are going to be crammed in a lorry and slaughtered soon. I'm not a rabid, video, and picture posting vegan by any means but that does make me sad.

Mummyoftwo91 · 13/08/2017 13:18

It's your decision At the end of the day, have to say though I've been vegetarian 17 years even through 2 pregnancies I've never once been anaemic and my iron levels are solid, my dh suffers from low iron and he is a massive meat eater

mrsRosaPimento · 13/08/2017 14:39

I got the same with quorn. I now eat chicken. I feel bad about it.

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