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Post Grenfell........now Ledbury Towers to be evacuated due to gas risk which has been present for decades.

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HelenaDove · 10/08/2017 18:51

Sorry about copy and paste I cant do screen shots.

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It's Ledbury estate by Old Kent Rd, built in late 60s using concrete panels, same as Ronan Point, where gas blast in 68 killed four people
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Peter Walker‏Verified account @peterwalker99 37m37 minutes ago
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After Ronan Point all such blocks with gas supplies were meant to have been reinforced. Southwark council only just found Ledbury wasn't.
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Peter Walker‏Verified account @peterwalker99 36m36 minutes ago
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It's pretty astonishing: 500+ people living in blocks which could have collapsed like house of cards in a gas explosion. For decades
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Peter Walker‏Verified account @peterwalker99 35m35 minutes ago
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They've all had gas cut off, so most have no cooking, hot water or heating. Letter says they can go to local leisure centre for showers
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Peter Walker‏Verified account @peterwalker99 35m35 minutes ago
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Southwark say they will "decant|" residents so checks and work can be done – ie moved out. Many residents furious.
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Peter Walker‏Verified account @peterwalker99 34m34 minutes ago
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One resident said: "I cannot describe my anger. It's a miracle nothing has happened." Says residents fear blocks will be knocked down.
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Peter Walker‏Verified account @peterwalker99 32m32 minutes ago
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It perhaps says a lot about modern London that 500+ poorer people have spent years living in homes which are hugely and obviously unsafe.

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SerfTerf · 13/08/2017 10:06

I was just musing as my melatonin kicked in last night.

ALMOs and TMOs are just more small scale, local, underfunded and under-audited housing bodies though in the grand scheme of things, are they not?

HelenaDove · 14/08/2017 16:22

Tracey Beresford‏ @tracbere 5h5 hours ago
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How patronising. Residents aren't asking for the Ritz. But current temporary arrangements are unacceptable, esp for families & older people
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Residents of #LedburyEstate requesting emergency temporary accommodation have been told by @lb_southwark staff "don't expect the Ritz"

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HelenaDove · 14/08/2017 16:24

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2/2... while the residents of #LedburyEstate have nothing but uncertainty, lies, fears and stress to deal with @LedburyAction
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1/2.. @lb_southwark I can't believe Councillor for housing Stephanie Cryan has gone on holiday .... #LedburyEstate @LedburyAction**
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@LedburyAction @duffield99 just talked to a resident who went for a shower at leisure centre, staff knew nothing about us using them 1/2

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HelenaDove · 14/08/2017 16:25

Rainbow Collective‏ @TRCdocumentary 5h5 hours ago
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How can she and Gerri Scott drop this bombshell on residents then go on holiday. Our residents have cancelled their holidays cause of this
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After dropping this bombshell on #LedburyEstate the cabinet member for housing, director of housing & head of homesearch are now on holiday

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HelenaDove · 14/08/2017 16:27

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In the end she was able to have a shower but the whole process took an hour and half.
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Then manager came and said they were told by council that #LedburyEstate residents would be using the facilities from Monday.
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@LedburyAction @duffield99 just talked to a resident who went for a shower at leisure centre, staff knew nothing about us using them 1/2

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HelenaDove · 14/08/2017 16:32

twitter.com/LedburyAction/status/896679717096620032

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HelenaDove · 16/08/2017 17:43

nikki‏ @nikkiiia 2h2 hours ago
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Stop hiding behind tweets and show your face @ tenants meeting then on Thurs since the councillor for housing has gone on holiday.. /4
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nikki‏ @nikkiiia 2h2 hours ago
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Residents are NOT HAPPY with how you are dealing with this ... stop patting yourself on the back! /3
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I felt so violated on Friday after @SGNgas forced entry into my home - talk to your staff who had to deal with tears and anger on Fri ... /2

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HelenaDove · 17/08/2017 21:55

"Tenants on another south London estate, the Ledbury in Southwark, had their gas turned off and were told that they would shortly be evacuated as their blocks are unsafe. But they have just been informed by the council that it will now be next year before the fire safety issues in their homes are dealt with. No wonder people feel that their local authority doesn’t represent them."

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HelenaDove · 18/08/2017 17:02

NEGLIGENCE and contempt of council tenants kills.
We know this because of Lakanal House in Camberwell. We know this because of Grenfell.
Last week residents on the Ledbury Estate in south-east London learnt that their homes could have collapsed on top of them at any time over the last 40 years.
Residents are not only confused and upset by the news, but are angry at what they feel is gross negligence on behalf of Southwark Council, the owner of the four 14-storey blocks.
Not only were their concerns about huge cracks (some so large you could pass your hand through) ignored for decades but when issues were finally taken seriously, Southwark continued to treat tenants with contempt, withheld information and had to be pressed again and again to take action.
After six difficult weeks of investigations and embittered meetings, the council told residents last Thursday that all four blocks are potentially unsafe after they failed gas checks. Tenants can now choose to be permanently rehoused elsewhere or stay in the blocks till next year when work is done to strengthen the buildings against gas explosions.
Hannan Majid, a documentary film maker, and his wife Danielle Gregory were the first people to recognise that the cracks posed a fire safety risk. Gregory reported this issue in June after the Grenfell disaster to the fire brigade, who confirmed that if a fire broke out in her flat it could spread through the cracks to the neighbouring flat.
This meant that the stay-put policy — the measure keeping residents safe in the event of a fire — no longer applied. Despite the seriousness of this safety breach, the council took three days to send a fire official round and only did so when Gregory threatened to call the press.
A few weeks later, residents decided to hold a community meeting in their Tenant and Residents’ Association (TRA) hall over the lack of information given to them by the council. Fire wardens had been placed in their blocks around the clock but with little information as to why they were there and if they were preparing for an evacuation.
Majid explained: “We tried to book the TRA [tenant and resident's association] hall for the meeting and were called agitators. We’re living in that building, we can see loads of people with megaphones and walkie-talkies and endless water being sent there.
“The first thing we think is: are people getting ready for an evacuation? So, of course, we want to hold a meeting!”
At the request of tenants, independent surveyors also came to look at the buildings.
They flagged a potentially catastrophic safety flaw that the council had completely missed — that the buildings may not be able to withstand a gas explosion.
This issue goes back to the day Ledbury was built in 1969. Like many tower blocks of its generation, the estate was constructed using large concrete slabs made in a factory and bolted together on site. This was a quick and cheap method to rapidly address Britain’s housing crisis but came with dire consequences.
Just two months after tenants moved into a system-built estate called Ronan Point in 1968, a small gas explosion blew out the walls causing an entire corner to collapse. Four people were killed and another 17 were injured.
The fact that the Ledbury Estate is built in a similar way to Ronan Point should have set alarm bells ringing at the council. But bizarrely, the first investigation into the structure of the buildings by engineering firm Arup (the same firm awarded a dodgy contract to design the doomed Garden Bridge) didn’t even mention the gas or the structure of the blocks. Presenting their findings to a public meeting in July, the firm declared that they had found “no structural issues” in the buildings.
At this meeting, independent surveyors Arnold Tarling and Tony Bird, the same people who had looked over the blocks, brought up the issue of gas.
“I stood up and asked Arup’s housing director if he was happy that there is gas in the blocks,” Bird said.
“He wouldn’t answer it. Of course, he wasn’t bloody happy! Arnold then asked whether the blocks would be able to stand a gas explosion and if the building would collapse. Again no answers. It just shows that nothing has been learnt from Ronan Point.”
After the issue was raised, Southwark was quick to declare that vital strengthening works had been carried out by the previous owner on the four blocks to protect them in the event of a gas explosion.
But last week Arup announced that their investigation suggested Ledbury had not undergone the works. The gas supply was immediately turned off, residents were given hotplates and told they could use the showers in a nearby leisure centre while they await rehousing.
A statement by Southwark’s deputy leader and cabinet member for housing Councillor Stephanie Cryan read: “At every stage of this investigation, we have put residents’ safety first, and acted on the best information available.
“We didn’t own the blocks when they were constructed at the end of the 1960s, but all the reports we found suggested the blocks were strengthened following the Ronan Point incident in 1968.”
A council spokesperson also claimed that the problems could not have been discovered earlier because the cracks and the gas supply are two completely separate issues. But really the issues both stem from the structure of the building.
Knowing the safety risks posed by system-built homes, Arup should have investigated the gas from the get-go and the council should not have denied that it was an issue. Bird stressed that councils must stop “making assurances based on no expertise.”
Heroic tenants’ residents and experts involved in the unveiling of the issues have expressed concern about Southwark’s reluctance to recognise serious safety failings at Ledbury until recently.
This has left tenants to take matters into their own hands, going to the fire brigade, to independent surveyors and forcing the council to act by applying pressure through the press.
Most of this effort was led by Majid and Gregory, who over the last six weeks have become a lifeline to Ledbury tenants. Rather than going to the council, many residents have turned to the pair for assurance and action showing their deep distrust in the council.
“These problems only came to light due to tenant action,” Bird said. “Hannan and Danielle are truly heroic tenants.”
Without the determination of the pair and without the added pressure on councils after Grenfell, how long would 500 residents have continued to live in blocks that could have collapsed at any point?
Majid feels that they were ignored for so long because they are council tenants.
“As part of my work, we go around the world documenting exploitation of child workers and workers’ rights abuses. What’s happened at the estate is a Third-World problem in London — shiny London. If you’re a council tenant, you’re treated like a third-class citizen.”
Although a disaster has been averted, serious questions must be asked to determine how such serious failings went unrecognised for so long.
Just two months after Grenfell, Ledbury serves as another painful reminder that ignoring the voices of council tenants can have deadly consequences.

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HelenaDove · 18/08/2017 19:00

"Following the news in 2017n has been like riding an out of control rollercoaster. As soon as one story dissipates, another rears its head
with little chance to analyse and contextualise anything that occurs.
Take the news about housing: after the shocking tragedy of Grenfell Tower, an eyewatering number of tower blocks were revealed to have similarly unsafe cladding as the government fire tested samples sent in by councils and housing associations.

May orders national inquiry after 100% failure rate in high-rise cladding tests
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The statistics caused huge alarm: the Chalcotts Estate in Camden was evacuated when it was discovered the panels fixed to the new-build towers were the same as those fitted to Grenfell Tower, which are believed to have contributed to the speed and scale of the blaze. Scarcely had politicians and the public begun to discuss what this meant for the culture of housing and redevelopment across Britain, when another story broke.

The Ledbury estate in Peckham was found to be at significant risk of collapse in the case of a gas explosion. Believing the residents to be in immediate danger, Southwark council began evacuating.

In 1968, in Ronan Point tower in Newham, east London, four people
died and 17 were injured when a gas explosion caused load bearing walls to collapse as the bolts holding together large prefabricated panels
buckled. The image of the tower was stark. From the roof to the floor,
an entire corner had fallen in, like dominos. That the fatality count
was as low as four was a miracle in itself. The collapse caused huge
concern for tower block residents, and the system then used to join the
concrete panelling was outlawed and building regulations changed to
ensure tower block architecture was safer and more robust.

The Ledbury estate was constructed using the same method as Ronan Point but residents were told that the problem had been fixed.

Southwark commissioned a fire safety inspection after residents raised concerns following the Grenfell Tower inferno, and it was discovered that, somehow, the flawed construction method had never been rectified. So for decades, the tower was at risk of the same fate as Ronan Point. It’s unclear how this oversight occurred. But a similar tale emerges: residents had been complaining of safety risks for years before this life-threatening danger was revealed.

Housing costs, supply and a dearth of social housing are cited often as the main issues in the UK’s housing crisis. But how we treat residents and tenants is a stain on modern Britain. The Ledbury and Grenfell residents were repeatedly dismissed when they raised concerns.

People constantly contact me panicked when they are turned away illegally by council housing offices or have issues with damp, leaks, cockroaches and rodents in their homes, endangering their children’s health. In the past few weeks, several women have kept me updated with their treatment after the roof of their Notting Hill Housing Trust domestic violence refuge collapsed. The women had complained for weeks that the sprinkler system was leaking into the ceiling, with little response. When the ceiling collapsed, they were told they’d be moved from Kensington to Barking, where several of their violent ex-partners live.

Since, some of them have been in temporary accommodation. One was placed in a hostel staffed entirely by men and when she caught someone photographing her
through a window, found the manager of the hostel and the housing staff at Kensington and Chelsea council dismissive until a police officer contacted the council on her behalf and pressured the department to move her to more appropriate accommodation.

In the meantime, the stress had caused her post-traumatic stress disorder to
escalate to the point where she was admitted to a psychiatric unit. Prior to the roof collapse she’d felt close to recovery.

Housing associations and councils must accept they have a duty to uphold human dignity and treat residents as they would their friends and neighbours rather than like human detritus. Meeting housing association chief executives, I’m struck by the earnest way in which they speak of their work and how they argue we need to give homes to all who need it and remove the stigma social tenants face. Yet the tales their tenants tell do not match their words.

Some councils are rotten, and so too are some housing associations. Staff on the frontline must do more to genuinely listen and act on the complaints and needs of residents, and less on honing the corporate exterior gloss"

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SerfTerf · 18/08/2017 22:42

I'm just watching this. It's about Southwark housing office in the early 70s and it's shocking;

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p055vzj1/tuesday-documentary-the-block

SerfTerf · 18/08/2017 22:44

(Interesting to see the history of paternalism and judgement.)

Ilovefraybentos · 18/08/2017 23:19

This is absolutely shocking :(

HelenaDove · 18/08/2017 23:35

Thanks for the link Serf Thanks

Will take a look at that.

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HelenaDove · 20/08/2017 01:02

Serf Ive just watched it.

Christ where do i start. Chaucer House itself. The patronizing attitude towards tenants.

The death of an 8 week old baby from gastritis.

The overweight lady told that her "reward" for paying her rent was a "patch and repair" house.

The "patch and repair" houses.

Edies kids taken into care because of where she had to live (Chaucer)

The utter despair.

Thankyou again for the link.

You nailed it with your Friday comment at 22.44

I would like to know what happened to them all.

Did i spot a young Frank Field at the claimant action group. If not its someone who looks very like him.

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HelenaDove · 20/08/2017 01:05

And as soon as a potential employer saw Chaucer House as an address that was a chance of a job out of the window.

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SerfTerf · 20/08/2017 01:29

I know.

I couldn't believe tenants weren't allowed to receive their own benefit cheques and had to have their prescriptions doled out to them a pill at a time ^just because they were in temp accommodation*.

Also the letting manager offering to find a house from somewhere only if the man "made an honest woman" of his GF! Shock Did you think there was a wider implication being made that it was the tenants considered "immoral" for their "common law" set ups that were left to rot at Chaucer? I wasn't sure.

I have an excuse for a second viewing anyway now if there is Frank-spotting to be done Wink

But, sheesh, really it was an eye opener.

HelenaDove · 20/08/2017 01:44

Serf Terf Yes i think the tenants were seen as "immoral" There was a fair slice of misogyny there too.

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BertieBotts · 20/08/2017 01:55

Housing associations have never shown proper care and concern for tenants, profit in the case of private ones, quick get this filth off my hands for the government owned ones.

The fire and structural stuff is the most shocking but there is so much else under the surface. It's so wrong that the Grenfell Inquiry isn't looking into this. Or I don't see why they can't have a Grenfell Inquiry for the fire itself but a separate one for the way social housing and social tenants are handled.

Housing is a basic need, and safety of housing is life and death. I think this is a crisis on the scale of America's healthcare access problem.

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HelenaDove · 21/08/2017 20:21

I thought Mr and Mrs Jerrard were about 70 years old but they couldnt have been because their son was 15.

Looking older than their years shows how hard they had it. It was etched on their faces.

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HelenaDove · 21/08/2017 23:57

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#LedburyEstate residents invited to bid against each other for band one properties by @lb_southwark due to fire/gas/structural crisis here

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