to think that some employERS will get pissed off with Universal Credit too.

[HelenaDove]

Ive seen loads of news items on this from the claimants point of view but not many from employers point of view.

There was a news item on BBC a few weeks back where a cleaner pointed out the irony of having to take time off work to sort out the administrative mess that is UC.

I predict a few employers round here moaning about their workers having to take time off when this comes in.

Its going to affect quite a few part timers who work at independent small stores as well as the bigger more obvious ones.

I was trying to follow it but I'm not sure I even understand it all.

I think you're right.

Yup

This is what i cant understand..............that they have brought in a system that is going to piss off employers. Some of whom are their core vote.

There's a precedent for pissing off employers. WFTC was partly administered through payroll. It didn't survive the howl of protest very long.

I'm going through the process of claiming this at the moment.
Because I've got a DH he's had to fill out the form too then take time off to go for the interview to get the special number! What a waste of time!
It's almost impossible to ring and speak to a human the phone line just says do it online then hangs up of you!

My interview was a complete shambles. I was sat in the job centre in my wheelchair so not easy to miss and 10mins after my appt time they ring me to say I was meant to have an appt! I'm like, I'm here and start waving. Then they told me the wrong information and was really insistent about it.

They've tried to lump everything together so none of the questions on the long form are particularly relevant.

I hate the process anyway, I'd much rather be well enough to work. The fight you have to do to get help is almost impossible when you're using all your energy to get through the day (and failing that a lot of the time!).

Just been reading a thread in Chat where an MNer has been given a hard time for leaving her kids at home while working during the summer hols.

While reading it i couldnt help wondering how many of them criticizing her had voted for policies similar to this one which leave people no choice.

And its likely to get worse with UC. More pressure to find more hours no matter what time of day or night those hours are.

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/08/laura-pidcock-dont-ruin-christmas-pause-rollout-universal-credit

Yup. UC is a shambles through and through. A system that wants to encourage work where the claimant has to take time off work to claim should be the first signal that it's a pile of shite.

HelenaDove Sun 31-Dec-17 18:04:36
www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/labour-warns-fresh-universal-credits-11773657

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2 hours ago
Silenzio
Universal Credit(UC)was designed to make it impossible to claim.Tax credits are woven into the system but for those in work they have to prove they are searching for more work,or better paid work.I overheard an adviser tell her client to arrange a meeting with her boss to come into the Job Centre and talk about getting more hours.Can you see any bosses doing that?"

Farcical

Maybe the end game is to piss off employers. We should never have got into a situation where the government, via tax credits, were propping up big businesses and subsiding wages.

If employers aren't offering enough hours and/or paying enough so that employees are having to look for other jobs or take time off work, perhaps they'll have to start offering decent hours and wages.

(Probably highly unlikely btw, but it's just a thought).

Agree Courtney but if the end game is to piss off employers why do it through starvation and eviction of employees.

I bet quite a few employers are pissed off with people totally unsuitable applying for jobs and wasting both their time, just because of the pressure to prove that claimants are applying for work for x amount of hours a week.

They've already pissed employers off with RTI & auto enrolment & a few other 'initiatives' I can't remember off the top of my head.

But yes,this will be very annoying for employers.

We had a fantastic pension scheme at work. Employer paid 3% employee paid 3% & it was invested in a managed fund with a top rated fund manager that's grown over the years.

It's not compliant with auto enrolment so we've had to change over to an auto enrolment scheme where the employee has to now pay 5% (so many have opted out as they can't afford it) & it just goes into a general pension company pot that's stagnating. One employee of 20 years standing was 4 months away from retirement yet was supposed to freeze all contributions & start again!