that people should not look down their noses at people.........

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because they are in the building trade
"Obviously if it will be joining their father's painting business then the schools don't count so much."
to quote one post
ffs so you don't need maths/english ict when running a painting business
my dh and bil are both painters and highly inteligent. dh went to a grammer school
rant over

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go on guess lol

I think you would need a decent education to be a decent builder To be a cowboy on the other hand..........Most of the builders I use are pretty smart although I have met a few idiots!

My dh has a degree in geology and he is in the building trade. He likes it, and it pays very well. My brother who has a degree in marine biology is thinking about going into building.

surely to run any business you'd need quite a good level of education (thinking about all the accounting etc you'd need to do).

Plus you need quite a lot of knowledge to be a good builder don't you? I mean how many people f*ck up DIY and then get a builder in to sort it out? You need to know what you're doing.

snob (them, not you)

no not unreasonable.
anybody who have ever tried to get a decent tradesman / builder in would not foaming at the mouth to be mates with decent one. Where I am its something to brag about if a member of the family / friends goes off to do something like that.

should be would be foaming at the mouth .... ignore the 'not'

I really really wish I'd learned a trade instead of poncing about at university twice. I'd be earning a fortune now as a carpenter, plumber or builder. Probably getting an awful lot more job satisfaction than in the field I ended up in.

No your not being unreasonable, I can guess who would make a stupid coment like that.

I would like to see a builder/painter not have any education as most run their own business. So not including the business skills needed to accounts/bank/orders etc in order they also need the skill to work out materials they need to do the job.

I think it was more of a snub at family businesses really than what they do. Of course you still need to be educated to join the family business. I have a Masters degree and several post grad diplomas. I would be delighted if ds wanted to be a builder etc. no student loan and people fighting themselves to get him.

My friend's dp is an electrician - she still worries about her kids education.

I'd love it if my dd became a plumber - she'd earn more money than me and dh with our wanky arts degrees and creative jobs.

What gets me is the phrase 'builders' tea' to describe PG Tips or whatever (ie not poncy tea). Find it v patronising and cringe whenever a posh person says it at work.

I just thought builder's tea was very strong tea.

Dunno - at my workplace people seem to just use it for anything that isn't Earl Grey or herbal.

Well, some of the most interesting, intelligent and well educated people I know happen to be carpenters , builders and furniture restorers. I can't stand this habit of judging people by what job they do but even more, I absolutely loathe the idea that we only get a good education in order to achieve a 'good' job whatever that means. Whatever happened to education for education's sake? These pushy London mothers drive me nuts. And they're dreadful snobs.

No, not unreasonable. But some of the attitudes on here about "wanky arts degrees" and "poncing about at university" aren't much better.

Inverted snobbery isn't any better than the other kind, IMO.

A lot of people are short-sighted twats.

In the US, the pendulum is swinging back towards more people wanting to go into skilled trades - programmes there do NOT have those dumb ass age limits.

They give you the potential to earn more money, to be more flexible in the jobs you take, to one day run your own business and to work as long as you're able.

Duh!

its not just builders i used to be a air hostess and now im a beauty therapist most people will automatically presume im some sort of thick bimbo, i went to a really good school and uni and i got an ma.

as some one else had said people are just snobs!

and i did a wanky arts degree and i admit i ponced about at uni! but it was my choice to do humanities as i thought nothing would bore me more than law or accountacy or whatever other "proper degree" you are meant to do

and without the poncey arts graduates there would be a shortage of teachers in these areas so surely someone has to do them!

But I did ponce about at university, Greenleeves. Nothing to do with inverted snobbery. I did diddlysquat whilst I was there apart from gallivant about, half cut.

I find people are in general extremely nice to the tradesmen they use because they don't want to lose them and totally recognise their value.

Hey Willyw - haven't heard of anyone "gallivanting" for a while - great word

Not unreasonable at all.

A friend of my mums on learning DF was a manual worker said "if it as me I would want more that that in a partner"
Her daughers DF (her DD used to be my best friend) designed unmrellas at the time!!!

So I married a brain surgeon who's a complete social turnip and utterly cold and boring then - did I feck!!

I have a wonderful loving hubby who can share care for our children with me and is always happy to help me round the house (not that brain surgeons are'nt - but you get what I mean) - but who cares what he does for a living.

but everybody looks down on somebody, remember monty python? anyone.. or secret policeman's ball or whatever, with john cleese.
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A lot of people ponce about it at university, then they spend a few years in the real world and their perception changes.

lol expat, you sound like Finchy in The Office