To feel sympathy to the National Trust volunteers at Felbrigg Hall?

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I'm pro-inclusion of minority groups, but think the NT should stick to doing it's job - looking after old houses. As most of its volunteers are retired, who might not want to be representatives of whatever right-on case the Trust decide to espouse,it's also short sighted of them to treat volunteers this way.

I saw a rainbow today. I thought how lovely it was and didn't think about other people have sex. I like rainbowy things - because they are really nice.

I think LGBT campaigners should consider how their appropriation of the Rainbow has impacted on us Rainbow Lovers.

*StripySocks1

I find it hard to feel sympathy for bigots.*

This !

Surely Gays have all the rights they need now. So what is the problem for them exactly.

Straight people get murdered and killed too.

There is no way anyone can MAKE a homophobe change, same for any other "prejudice", and murders and assaults happen every day too on everyone, gay or straight.

Gay people now have equal rights. That is fantastic.

Well when you consider that it's still illegal to be gay in 74 countries around the world and that homophobia is alive and kicking in the UK maybe they think it's important to send out a life affirming positive message about what it means to be gay.

Ovaries, I dont mean any disrespect here but homophobic attacks surely don't point to inequality really do they? Women are attacked every day for being women, young men for being young men, different colours, races and religions all the time too. Isn't that just people being ignorant and vicious which no amount of equality legislation will change.

I admit I haven't read the entire thread. However, I'm going by the OP and the link.
I must admit I'm torn.
On the one hand, I want everyone to be included, everyone to be the same.Of course I do. Absolutely no issue with different sexualities whether straight, gay, bi.
Then on the other hand, I have a real problem with others forcing their beliefs onto others.
You can't TELL people what they should and shouldn't believe, and what they should and shouldn't support.
Which this badge wearing is basically doing.
How is doing that any different to what others are doing to us, telling us what we should and shouldn't believe?
Each to their own.
Embrace other beliefs as well as your own and the world would be a much happier place.

Too much emphasis on Gay rights, but they have them already.

Not enough on racism. IMV anyway. You know, those poor people who clean our toilets, wash our sick and elderly and so on. But they are either Black or Filipino or whatever, not native Brits anyway.

Gay rights have been established. You would be terrified to say otherwise. See the point?

Ovaries, I dont mean any disrespect here but homophobic attacks surely don't point to inequality really do they?

It points to deep-rooted attitudes about homosexuality and all identities that fall under the banner (bi, ace erasure and denial etc), many of which have their basis in the legislative inequality of the past. Hatred of gay people doesn't occur in a vacuum.

I think Pride and gestures like the rainbow badges etc are an important reminder, while we wait for those who think homosexuality is a sin or that you can catch "the gay" to die out, that we should never return to the old ways. It also feels particularly pertinent now that the US has a president who would gladly make it legal to discriminate against gay people on the basis of their sexuality, and now that we have a prime minister who appears to worship the ground Trump walks on and panders to right-wing ultra-conservative bigot parties.

As a feminist and a woman I would think it was great that the NT wanted to celebrate women's history. I really would not want a sexist volunteer to wear a badge celebrating a cause he didn't believe in - it would cheapen it for me.

Exactly. You can't force someone into believing something, however much you may try.

Too much emphasis on Gay rights, but they have them already.

Not enough on racism. IMV anyway.

Gosh you must be really torn when it comes to the rights of gay, non caucasian minimum wage workers.

Homophobic physical attacks are increasing.

And as for all this 'gay rights have been established' chat, well isn't there a big chunk of the UK that's still waiting on marriage equality?

Clue: It's called Northern Ireland.

Squoosh,

Not torn. I don't know what your point is.

But anyway, the emphasis on Gay rights has IMV led to a reduction in the emphasis on other rights such as race.

But with Brexit sure enough they will be the toilet cleaners a la Dubai and no one will bat an eyelid. Necessary you see.

I'm not surprised.

My point is that you can't just cheerily declare 'gay rights have been established no need to worry about them anymore'. Or are you only capable of being aware of one type of discrimination at any given time. How awful for you.

Oh and Squoosh,

Dare I say it, but mainland UK doesn't give a shit about NI, some of them think it is part of ROI.

Took the ROI PM to say that SSM is on the cards there, something the DUP will not allow ever. But they are Christians I suppose with all the love for everyone. Such hypocrisy.

Anyway I don't want a fight, just a debate.

Dare I say it, but mainland UK doesn't give a shit about NI, some of them think it is part of ROI.

Irrelevant

The point is gay people still cannot get married in NI therefore it's utterly fatuous for you to say 'gay rights have been established. nothing to see here'.

Yay Squoosh.

You seem to be a bit angry.

But you are right (as I said myself anyway), gay rights in NI is an abomination in comparison to the rest of the UK.

So could that mean that the mainland doesn't care about them? I actually think it does. No one cares what they do as long as they get their 11billion per annum subvention to carry on their bigotry.

Is LGBT some kind of religion now?

It seems that way if people are trying to force their beliefs down others throats.
Remind me again how different that is to major religions imposing their beliefs on a person?

Hey, if you want to compare rights with NI, what about women's reproductive rights?

if you want to compare rights with NI, what about women's reproductive rights?

total sidestep away from the points raised above.

nocoolnamesleft.

I totally agree with you.

Abortion is banned as is Gay marriage in NI. Cannot understand how that happened.

But who gives a shit about NI really? Apart from UK taxpayers having to prop it up with 11 BILLION POUNDS per annum.

I often wonder if Mainland folk know this.

Hudson10

Think of being at a dinner party, or a BBQ or something. Conversations move on and devolve. Just like here anonymously.

I don't think it is deliberate, just moveable chat.

It's a sad indictment of today's society when reluctance to wear a pin badge has you labelled as 'bigot'

Indeed.

I applaud the NT for trying publicise the history of the man who owned this house. Part of what makes old houses interesting is the lives, generally personal, of the people who lived there. No one would have any beef with publicising the personal life of the average heterosexual nuclear family, so there really should be no issue with doing the same with the life of a gay man. Equality means normalizing these things and so the NT has a responsibility to tell this man's story.

And so I'm sad that the NT has messed up so badly by debasing this important issue into a bit of cheap gimmickry. Accurate presentation of history needs to be kept apart from advocacy. Furthermore, there's nothing liberal or permissive here. It just reflects a value shift. There is just as much intolerance, the target has just changed.

I wouldn't wear the badge either. I care deeply about gay rights and have participated in loads of events supporting that in the past, but can't any more.

Until they drop the T, pride is not for me.