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To think planning and dropped kerb is required?

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BibiThree · 04/08/2017 13:14

Yes this is a parking thread, I know how you love these. Long time member here, but haven't posted a lot in the last 8? years. Anyway, I have included a drawing as I know I'd be given short shrift if I didn't.

Background: NDN have 4 cars, one is kept in their internal garage, two on their double driveway and the fourth usually parked up on the pavement in front of our houses (boundary line area on diagram). We have 2 cars and we park them on our double driveway behind our house/garden, so no issues around who parks where, all very clear.

I overheard NDN talking to another neighbour about paving/tarmacing over the grassed part of their front garden (question marked part on diagram) to park the fourth car on, and accessing it via the existing dropped kerb in front of their double driveway.
At present, across the front of both houses are bushes and grass, NDN very kindly cuts all of it, not just his patch. There is no visible division, but obviously it is formalised in the deeds.
My question is: if they do go ahead and tarmac/pave their land, would they need planning permission to do so, to make sure it's properly installed with drainage etc, and how might this affect us if they don't? I assume that if they don't apply for an extention to their dropped kerb, they're not going to apply for planning either.
I'm not worried about their car being parked there, I just don't want them to crack on and find out later that it hasn't; been done properly and we suffer issues with poor drainage or ground movement.

To think planning and dropped kerb is required?
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SerfTerf · 04/08/2017 13:15

Oh fabulous! Beautiful coloured diagram!

I think I need to make Brew and settle in for this Smile

SerfTerf · 04/08/2017 13:19

According to THIS (https://www.planningportal.co.uk/info/200130/commonprojects/45/pavinggyourfronttgarden)
"permeable surface or not"
and "larger than 5 square metres or not" are the operative questions.

ButDoYouAvocado · 04/08/2017 13:19

Im not sure they would need planning. I can see your point but can't you do whatever you like with your front garden?

Btw that diagram is a work of art doffs cap

ButDoYouAvocado · 04/08/2017 13:20

Perhaps not whatever you like. Im sure daily human sacrifice etc is frowned upon but i mean aesthetically.

nokidshere · 04/08/2017 13:20

No planning required as long as the materials used are porous.

I am thinking of doing similar on our front and called the planning office last week. She also said that we can use the existing dropped kerb to access the space and wouldn't need to drop anything more.

Hth

SerfTerf · 04/08/2017 13:21

 @ButDoYouAvocado GrinGrin

WaaWaaWaaa · 04/08/2017 13:21

I doubt they would need planning permission for just extending their drive over if its in their boundaries. If they intend to access it via their already dropped kerb I don't really see that the issue would be.

Silvercatowner · 04/08/2017 13:24

We access a double driveway from a single dropped kerb - I hope it isn't a problem, don't think it is.

sherbetpips · 04/08/2017 13:27

the dropped kerb bit depends on your council - ours charges a fortune but others do it for free - either way you do have to seek permission. We access ours from the single dropped area so we didn't bother changing it

BewareOfDragons · 04/08/2017 13:27

I think it just has to be permeable (eg, net over grass, gravel, block paving, etc), and it looks like they'll be able to use the existing dropped kerb without any real issues other than their own car jockeying about. Win-win!

MovingOnUpMovingOnOut · 04/08/2017 13:27

I really can't see a problem. Plenty of people where I am are busy making their front gardens into drives. Unless they need a dropped curb adding they don't apply for planning.

I think your nieghbour can do what he likes with his patch of grass and bushes.

TheNaze73 · 04/08/2017 13:30

Unless they're in estate management/conservation area, I doubt they'll need planning

BlondeB83 · 04/08/2017 13:31

Looks to me like that would be fine, and a good idea! Although you will need to get mowing from now on... Envy

BibiThree · 04/08/2017 13:37

Thanks all, that's really put my mind at ease.

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BibiThree · 04/08/2017 13:41

And obviously I'd speak to NDN if I saw work starting, just wanted to ask MN's collective wisdom.

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gillybeanz · 04/08/2017 13:58

If they are extending their driveway they need planning permission, the council need to be happy that the right drainage system is used.
It can't interfere with trees, lamp posts or any other furnishings on the pavement.

I know as we have just done this at a property, it took ages from start to finish. But this was from the initial enquiry and included a dropped kerb.

I'd contact the council highways and ask their advice.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 04/08/2017 14:00

No advice

But beautiful diagram

Seriously

Beautiful

Downtheroadfirstonleft · 04/08/2017 14:08

Bows to quality level of diagram.

BibiThree · 05/08/2017 10:22

Thanks gilly, I might contact them if/when work starts.

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IceLollyInThePaddlingPool · 05/08/2017 10:25

Two colours of grass and bush! Star

ShelaghTurner · 05/08/2017 10:33

Amazing diagram. Be proud.

honeysucklejasmine · 05/08/2017 10:36

That diagram! Your handwriting! Beautiful work.

youarenotkiddingme · 05/08/2017 10:38

No idea about the planning aspect.

But cannot allow that diagram to go unpraised - what a work of art Star

RainbowPastel · 05/08/2017 11:14

In my city they would need planning permission to extend their driveway area. They could use the existing dropped kerb though.

BibiThree · 05/08/2017 13:00

Loving the love for the drawing. I do enjoy a doodle. Thanks all!

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