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AIBU?

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Arghhh parking and annoying neighbour...

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ihearttc · 02/08/2017 20:57

We live on a new build estate (we it was new build when we moved in!) but we've been here 10 years. Our house is in a sort of cul de sac with 4 other houses. The gardens are all curved so our garden backs onto the driveway to the other houses...behind the fence there is a piece of land which originally had bushes etc on which have now died.With all the storms we had a few months ago our fence got damaged so we need to replace it. We looked at our deeds and according to them we own the land where the bushes are as well.
Bit of a long story but the fence panels are a strange shape so to try and make it slightly cheaper the fencing guy has suggested moving the fence out another 30cm which would create a better angle for the fence. Neighbour has gone absolutely mental at this. Have come home tonight and found her boyfriends car parked right across the back of our garden behind our fence.
Just wondered if anyone could look at this picture and tell me whether IABU with being very annoyed with them effectively trespassing on our property and if there is a huge issue with us moving the fence ever so slightly??

Arghhh parking and annoying neighbour...

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LittleOwl153 · 02/08/2017 21:02

Not sure I can figure out what you have done... is the blue bit the extended fence? Where us the neighbour parked?

AtHomeDadGlos · 02/08/2017 21:03

Bit hard to tell from your diagram which house you are and where the new fence will be.

If it's on your property you can put it where you like though surely. Crack on. Fence their car in.

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ihearttc · 02/08/2017 21:06

We haven't done anything yet. It's the back of the house so the curved bit near the road. The entire black bit is highlighted in the deeds as our property however there are 2 sort of curved lines within that. The first line is our current garden fence...the second curved line is where the muddy area is where they have parked the car. We want to extend the fence just slightly into the muddy area. I might do a diagram lol...it might be easier to explain!

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JenniferYellowHat1980 · 02/08/2017 21:09

Show them the deeds and fence the whole lot?

MimsyFluff · 02/08/2017 21:12

Fence the whole lot

Mrscropley · 02/08/2017 21:13

Def fence the whole lot.
Why not if it's yours???
Before ndn claims it and you end up in court.

AnnieOH1 · 02/08/2017 21:15

I can't make head nor tail of the plan based on what you've said but a slight word of caution, if the fence was placed by the developer and the parcel continued beyond it then this could be due to visibility splays or communal access and other rights of way.

You'll need to refer back to your deeds. When did you even realise the land behind the fence was yours?

RunRabbitRunRabbit · 02/08/2017 21:15

If the muddy area is not part of your garden then you are being unreasonable to take 30cm of it. Curved boundaries are expensive to fence but that doesn't mean you can square it off onto land that isn't yours no matter how muddy it is.

If you really don't want a curved fence then you would have to put up a straight fence entirely within your own boundaries, effectively giving up some of your own land instead of taking someone elses.

Neighbour's boyfriend is completely wrong to park on your land in protest.

RobinHumphries · 02/08/2017 21:16

The diagram is pretty clear so fence the whole lot

BarbaraOcumbungles · 02/08/2017 21:16

Yep. Fence it all in

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ihearttc · 02/08/2017 21:19

The plan is our deeds...according to that all the area within the heavy black line is our property.

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ihearttc · 02/08/2017 21:20

This won't probably help either but I know how much MN loves a diagram...

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sixinthebedandthelittleonesaid · 02/08/2017 21:23

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ihearttc · 02/08/2017 21:24

Annie...that's what I was worried about but it would only be a tiny bit of the area and should affect the visibility at all. Just feels like it's ok for her to park there so literally nothing at all can get through yet we can't take a tiny piece of what is effectively our land in order to literally half the cost of the fence.

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Gazelda · 02/08/2017 21:27

I have absolutely no expertise in this area, but from your diagrams it looks as though you may be right that the land is yours.

however you've never used it before and your original fence indicated where you believed your boundary to lie. So from your neighbours point of view, you've cheekily grabbed a piece of land because it makes it easier for you.

The way forward is a conversation. And agreement. Don't get nearly with them, it seems to be a simple misunderstanding and lack of communication.

notaslimceagirl · 02/08/2017 21:27

If it's your land then fence it off.

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ihearttc · 02/08/2017 21:27

No she doesn't think that six...it's all to do with this muddy bit of land. I've tried showing her and the fencing guy even went and spoke to her but she is still convinced that area is not ours. Only other thing I can do I suppose is speak to a solicitor and get some advice.

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EnriqueTheRingBearingLizard · 02/08/2017 21:30

I would want to actually read what the Deeds say with reference to the plan. What does the hatched area represent?

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ihearttc · 02/08/2017 21:30

We've used it before in that we planted some very expensive plants there when the bushes that the developers put in died, so we had always assumed it to be ours but we've never had any need to change the fence until this point. Incidentally the plants that we put in also died...which of course may be a huge coincidence but I get the feeling she likes it with nothing there as it makes it easier for her!!

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ihearttc · 02/08/2017 21:34

Enrique-I'm not sure to be honest. It doesn't say anything on the stuff we got from the land registry that I can locate easily(everything else is filed away in the loft) but I will certainly check.

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Mumsnut · 02/08/2017 21:34

If neighbour's car is parked on your land ... fence it in ;)

MikeUniformMike · 02/08/2017 21:37

big boulders. or penguin bollards

Lucked · 02/08/2017 21:38

Is the black hatched area the road? If so many can't see any reason for right of access.

However you mention shrubbery, do you pay a management fee for groundskeeping? If this has been maintained by residents payment to then I can see why they will think you don't own it.

Personally I would speak to a solicitor about this, you are going to have all he neighbours talking..

NoSquirrels · 02/08/2017 21:39

As every plot seems to be surrounded by the hatching, it must have some significance- you need to find out.

But purely in your mind lans the straight fence you're proposing seems to be in line with the neighbours, so doesn't seem unreasonable in and of itself.

But if neighbour can't be talked round in friendly terms - and you've already tried - then it doesn't much matter which of you is "right" as you've got a neighbour dispute.

I'd be ok with your fence, if that helps. Had neighbour told you WHY she thinks it's unreasonable- is it making her life difficult?

mydietstartsmonday · 02/08/2017 21:41

I think a simple conversation and show her the deeds. Say very politely can she move the car and that you will be putting the fence in.

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