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To find it infuriating when people use the words "gender" and "sex" interchangeably?

67 replies

Sugarcoma · 31/07/2017 18:37

They do not mean the same thing.

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coddiwomple · 31/07/2017 18:40

YANBU to have opinions.

I have yet to read anything to convince me that they do not mean the same, despite the current fashion. I don't find you infuriating, I just disagree with you Smile

WorraLiberty · 31/07/2017 18:41

It's a bit annoying but I can't say I've ever been infuriated about something like that.

PlymouthMaid1 · 31/07/2017 18:41

Yes infuriating but so many people do not understand or have zero interest in understanding.

Sparklingbrook · 31/07/2017 18:42

AS long as I know what they mean it doesn't bother me TBH. But you can get infuriated by anything you like, it's your choice.

LadyMonicaBaddingham · 31/07/2017 18:43

I don't really care... Each to their own and all that

araiwa · 31/07/2017 18:46

99% dont know or care that there is a difference. If there is one.

If i say im female- who knows if im talking about my sex or gender?

noeffingidea · 31/07/2017 18:47

coddiwomple don't dictionaries work for you then? The two words clearly have different meanings, quite simple to understand really.
I agree it is a bit annoying. I like to use words correctly and find it difficult to communicate with people who don't.

DoomGloomAndKaboom · 31/07/2017 18:48

You're not unreasonable to have an opinion, or to find it infuriating. You would be unreasonable to berate people who don't understand the difference or accept that there is one. You wouldn't be unreasonable to calmly ask/explain.

imo

DramaInPyjamas · 31/07/2017 18:49

Well my DD and DS are not the same person, but it doesn't stop me getting their names mixed up when I call them from upstairs.

NoSleepSinceSpring · 31/07/2017 18:50

coddiwomple

Sex relates to the genitles you were born with

Gender relates to society's expectation of you based on those genitles

You can't really have an opinion on these definitions any more than you can have an opinion on definitions of a bank or poverty. They both relate to money but they are fundamentally different things.

namechange20050 · 31/07/2017 18:51

YANBU Op. I agree. It winds me up. Language is so important.

araiwa · 31/07/2017 18:52

Maybe they should come up with new words then as having the same confuses people

araiwa · 31/07/2017 18:55

Can i have an opinion on the spelling on genitals? Language is so important apparently

DoomGloomAndKaboom · 31/07/2017 18:57

araiwa - the word 'female' refers to sex, not gender

I tend to think about it in terms of chromosomes - XX and XY.

Whether someone feels they are what their chromosomes dictate, or that they are the other sex, is their gender/gender identity. Therefore a transgender woman has XY chromosomes but refers to herself as a woman, but under no circumstances could it be said she has XX chromosomes, or is female.

bambambini · 31/07/2017 18:59

I think to the majority of folk it does mean the same thing. Meanings and definitions regading male/female/man/woman are changing though so the general ppulation will catch up eventually. Especially if cases like this disgusting woman are reported more frequently.

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/woman-caught-extreme-animal-porn-13399570.amp

coddiwomple · 31/07/2017 19:00

noeffingidea

I meant that regardless of social or cultural differences, a male is still a male and so is a female. You can chose to ignore biology, I don't. You chose to give them different meaning, it's up to you.

I am not entering into an argument about it,it's getting boring. People disagree, hardly breaking news.

thatstoast · 31/07/2017 19:00

This is a surprisingly important part of the trans debate. I say that as an alleged terf and a confirmed pedant.

Rufustherenegadereindeer1 · 31/07/2017 19:01

I agree OP

My children now say gender when they mean sex just to try and wind me up

And they do know the difference

bambambini · 31/07/2017 19:02

Therefore a transgender woman has XY chromosomes but refers to herself as a woman, but under no circumstances could it be said she has XX chromosomes, or is female.

Transwoman are referred to as female often these days. And unless folk have their chromosomes tested - how do folk know what chromosomes they have?

Sariesoomoo · 31/07/2017 19:04

I think Doom has hit the nail on the head about why it's confusing for people - can you call someone male or female or not? Is that their gender or their sex? And, tbh, it just seems to be one of those "grand scheme of things" issues. Like it drives me insane when people use "less" and "fewer" incorrectly - but I realise most people would want to beat me about the head with a blunt object if I started telling them off about it.

Lifeofpies · 31/07/2017 19:04

Yes it bothers me greatly and I wonder if people realise how important the distinction is about to become for the female sex. I wonder if it's the word sex that's problematic? Not because people are prudes, but because the word has another meaning.

TizzyDongue · 31/07/2017 19:07

I'm pretty sure that up to recently 'gender' did mean female, male or netuer, so was fairly interchangeable with 'sex' - though still slightly wrong. (I recall gender being used in biology texts.)

The word gender has not long been widely used mean characteristics differentiated by social and cultural roles and behavior which the word is now evolving to be more widely refer to

These days, when language use changes, online dictionaries will probably show the newer definition while paper dictionaries most likely the older definition (online dictionaries being more influenced by general usage of words).

Mrskeats · 31/07/2017 19:07

I agree op
Opinion has nothing to do with this
They are 2 completely different things
Sex=biology
Gender= a social construct
It bewilders me how people can't understand this. For those that say they don't care- this is such an important issue so you need to educate yourselves.

NoSleepSinceSpring · 31/07/2017 19:09

araiwa you're right, I spelt genitals wrong. I am dyslexic and struggle with spelling... but I don't struggle with dictionary definitions of words. I'm definitely right there.

Crumbs1 · 31/07/2017 19:09

Pah, I fully understand the notion but don't buy in to it. There are males and females that are men and women. Sometimes people prefer to dress in a non stereotypical way and describe unisex or androgynous outfits as gender neutral. Some people with false body images believe they are born the wrong sex. Sadly society now encourages this and it has become a major issue based on the loud voice of a few.

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