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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

DH thinks IABU with him, am I?

59 replies

Delancy · 18/07/2017 19:09

This is a running theme in our marriage and causes rows, he thinks I'm unreasonably horrible to him, I think I'm voicing concerns over risks he takes which affect all of us and/or his terrible planning, which often affects the whole family and sometimes our finances and quite honestly stress me.

Today, our DS2 is playing with our telephone at home, so I tell him DH's number to call him and chat. I don't hear the conversation they have.

Later DH comes home at quarter to 6 with a tray of mangoes saying that DS had asked for some, and asks me what time the shops shut as he still has not managed to buy a suit for the job interview he has tomorrow. He has one already but it has frayed pockets and does look shabby, he felt uncomfortable in it and had planned to pick up a new suit today. He works for himself at the moment so could have done this, and did manage to find time to get his haircut. He told me he left work at 5pm to get a suit but needed to buy the mangoes first as he thought I had decided that was more important and so that's why I had got DS2 to phone him to ask.

I was staggered by his logic, I think I said something like 'Why did you think it was more important to buy mangoes than to buy your suit for your interview tomorrow?' (Not to mention why he hadn't sorted it earlier in the day.)

He immediately turns defensive and shouty, ending up telling me that when I make mistakes he never treats me so badly as I always do to him. I don't think that's entirely true as there have been so many times he's let me down by being late for things, or not doing things because he ran out of time and I often don't say anything, especially lately, as I've learnt it always leads to rows. He is overly defensive to any sense of criticism and usually shouts at me, and often straight away. Sometimes I don't say anything back, sometimes I talk back and manage to stay calm, sometimes I also shout back at him.

He does do a lot for us, is very generous and loving man, but is so clueless with planning, budgeting, time management it has caused me a great deal of stress as we are in business together and his constantly slipping schedule (not that he even has a schedule) impacts us financially, and its always up to me to do the mop up and rescue the situation. He has a much higher tolerance for being in debt than I have.

I also think he has an anger problem, but its so difficult to raise this with him for obvious reasons.
He usually blames me, saying I'm unreasonably critical and horrible, that's why he's like that.
I'm not sure if IABU with him, as there are a lot of points I do question with him and can't completely trust him with, but that is more to do with us being in business together and with his track record. He sees it more as an issue I have trusting him specifically, and thus gets angry about it.

What would you do? Both generally and in that specific example tonight? Do you think he has a point and IABU with him, and should just let smaller things like this go, and what does that mean in reality, I just say nothing about it?

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MyPepper · 18/07/2017 20:15

So as an adult, he isn't able to get organised to be sure he has an OK suit for the interview the day after. He doesn't know at what time is the interview and still has no idea at what time the shops are closing (clue living at 5.00pm to find a suit when the shop close at 6.00pm can lead to an issue even wo having to buy mangoes....)

That would drive me bonkers.

Does he actually want to job??

Monny · 18/07/2017 20:15

My ex-used to do similar things. He'd do something illogical/fail amazingly at a task he didn't really want to do*, use a limp diversion (X,Y,Z, the kids), use anger when questioned/discussed on a logical basis, then create an angry upset and then say how impossible I was.

He was also amazingly sweet when he wanted to be and a fun Dad (so long as it didn't involve the parenting things he didn't want to do*)

Oh and he had anger management issues. He could only manage his anger outside the home. At home he was unable to control himself (read he was very in control of his anger). He was also able to hold down a rather good job involving logic.

Creating chaos and upset can be a good way of controlling a partner. Only they know what's happening next and you are kept busy fixing an endless stream of chaos whilst surviving an emotional rollercoaster.

I still have no idea how calculated mine was and many people genuinely lack logic. My ex gets the Twilight Zone theme.

Monny · 18/07/2017 20:19

PS - Google Sick Systems www.issendai.com/psychology/sick-systems.html

MyPepper · 18/07/2017 20:19

I'm sorry but if a child of mine is ringing saying that he wants mangoes and I have something as important as buying a suit for an interview, I

  • ring my partner to check the urgency of the said mangoes
  • wonder at what time the supermarket is open til, until what time the suit shop is open and then start with the one which closes first.

He really clearly has an big problem organisation wise.
I'm wondering if this has always been the case or if it's only when the OP is involved (so things like house related stuff or business wise now they are working together).

Fwiw I think your answer were neutral enough. I might actually have said 'I don't know' to the question off when do the suit shop close..... and lthen let him find out himself.
(That's assuming doesnt have a major issue such as the one mentioned upthread - hence also my question of whether this is always the case)

PuppyMonkey · 18/07/2017 20:21

He sounds a bit of a knob.

Delancy · 18/07/2017 20:22

Interesting range of views so far. It is really helpful for me to read them, thanks for your all your opinions.

Sounds like we both have a point, but you're right we need to break out of it somehow.
This is the reason for his interview tomorrow so that we will no longer have to work in a way that we are reliant on him completing his job well in order to make any decent money.

I think the poster who said about dyspraxia probably is on to something and that he actually can't organise himself. I sympathise with this, I'm not the best organised myself, but I think he won't face up to this as a shortcoming which needs working on.

I think I'm carrying a great deal of resentment for the past, and the amount of work and effort I've had to put in for years supporting the funds for the business by going out to work and then he doesn't seem to respect that enough by taking good care of the money which I contribute into the business.

I'm also fed up with being shouted at whilst trying to have normal conversations.
I'm also fed up with his unreliable, erratic behaviour and questionable decision making.

I have really tried to back off and tone it down and it works to some extent and we get on better, but then silly occasions like tonight happen and we are rowing yet again.

Do you think I should try harder to tone it back even more, or is that me changing my thoughts and opinions and need for normal communication because he out-shouts me?
We are a mess aren't we? Didn't think marriage would be like this.

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FeeLock28 · 18/07/2017 20:23

Oh, dear. He sounds really quite manipulative: anger at you; unable to prioritise basic issues; you alter your behaviour to avoid dealing with the underlying issue ...

It sounds as though you have significant soul-searching ahead of you regarding your future. All the very best with it. Flowers

haveacupoftea · 18/07/2017 20:24

You sounds like you can't stand each other. Tbh if I was planning to go to an interview and didn't get an outfit sorted in time and DP started grilling me about it I'd take the hump as well. You aren't his mum, stop acting like it.

haveacupoftea · 18/07/2017 20:25

And tell him he's being a knob, when things have calmed down. Talk to him. Counselling sounds like a good idea.

LakieLady · 18/07/2017 20:28

I'm with you on this one, Haveacupoftea.

Let him learn to take care of his own shit or live with the consequences imo. He's a grown up, after all.

Roomster101 · 18/07/2017 20:33

He is being a knob but I think if my DH did something crap like that (which he sometimes does) I wouldn't get involved. I see it as his problem to sort out.

junebirthdaygirl · 18/07/2017 20:34

I came on to say dyspraxia. That not knowing what is a priority is a classic system and they get side tracked very easily

caffeinestream · 18/07/2017 20:34

I think it's upto him whether he buys mangoes or a suit or when he has his hair cut. He's an adult and can decide whether he wants to be organised or leave things until the last minute.

Why does it matter?

Delancy · 18/07/2017 20:36

Our DS1 has a diagnosis of dyspraxia and ASD.

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Beancounter1 · 18/07/2017 20:36

It seems to me that if you take back control of the things that matter to you, you will feel more secure, less stressed, and more able to leave him alone to mess things up and sort himself out. I suggest you could look into getting yourself a secure job so that you look after your own money.

Delancy · 18/07/2017 20:37

I think you all make good points.

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Notevilstepmother · 18/07/2017 20:42

Could be dyspraxia, could be attention deficit. Particularly as your child is neuro diverse.

www.additudemag.com/executive-function-disorder-adhd-explained/

www.additudemag.com/executive-function-deficit-adhd-symptoms-test-for-adults/

Get him to the GP.

My diagnosis changed my life. Medication and support has meant I got myself more or less organised.

MagdalenNoName · 18/07/2017 20:47

My first thought was that the OP's husband is probably not neurotypical.

My stepson is very chaotic and disorganised and struggles with time management. We eventually worked out that it was likely he had high-functioning autism - which would explain what Tony Attwood describes as 'weak executive coherence.'

Delancy · 18/07/2017 20:52

Just checked my phone, there's a text from DH sent just after he stormed out saying
'I'm not going to any fucking interview.'

Has he manipulated this whole thing to get out of the interview?!

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Goodasgoldilox · 18/07/2017 20:53

Perhaps the very things you love about him lead to this chaotic organisation!

It could be seen as very romantic that he would go to such lengths to bring you mangos just because he thought you really wanted them...

Sparkletastic · 18/07/2017 21:01

Hmmm. Clearly he didn't intend to go to the interview.

CocoaLeaves · 18/07/2017 21:05

Oh, good grief, why is he not going to the interview? Does he not have something smart casual he can wear rather than a suit? It sounds like an engineered row. Or at the very least, not thinking entirely rationally. Ignore?

TeenAndTween · 18/07/2017 21:07

If your DS has dyspraxia and ASD that could be a big clue as to certain traits with your DH.
Doesn't excuse the anger though.

CocoaLeaves · 18/07/2017 21:07

Monny that link describes my XH Shock

CouldntMakeThisShitUp · 18/07/2017 21:09

mmm.....did you also find thew job and apply for him OP?

Stop mothering him and doing all the mind-work for him. He's not a child so stop treating him like one just because you love him.
All you're doing is enabling him to walk all over you.

If he has genuine neuro issues then HE needs to admit/acknowledge them and seek help/guidance.
He's not taking personal responsibility for ANYTHING even though his actions risk his families security.

it isn't your job to 'save' him from himself, op.