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To think some people's loneliness is self inflicted?

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buttonyourfly · 16/07/2017 13:15

Just as a disclaimer I am not referring to people who have had awful things happen to them like spouses leaving or dying, or being separated from children by country, or having been abused and therefore have trauma connecting to others.

I have about 6 good, successful friends in their 60s and 70s who complain of being chronically lonely and isolated. As much as I love them, they are people who in their life before have refused to compromise with other people. I have known them for about forty years and they all have similar patterns, men and women. They have not married, considered nobody to be good enough, not had children because they were very career focused (which is fine, obviously) but they have reached their 60s angry with the world that they are by themselves and don't have people to see at the drop of a hat.

They also constantly play the victim card. They say things like "nobody ever wanted to marry me. " or "it just didn't happen for me," which I know is categorically untrue. Or "I would have loved to have had children," when actually if you had asked them 20 or 30 years ago they made it clear they had no interest. And it's not expressed like a regret now, it's insinuated like it's a thing that was ripped away from them by society or other people and we all now need to make up for it.

Two of the women amongst these friends feel that as I am their friend, I should be inviting them to absolutely everything I do because I happen to have a family. That I should be including them in my life as a replacement mother and grandmother figure, inviting them to christmases, birthdays. One of them even expects me to cajole my husband into letting her take him as her plus one to work events (which I am actually fine with, if he is) but she expects all the giving and sacrifice to go one-way (me to her) because she feels I have been given something by society that she has not. And at the bottom of it, i feel, is that they feel that society and other people owe them to somehow dip in and out of family roles in things that actually take a long time to build, and are part of the path you choose in life.

All of them seem to want the instant gratification of being given an important, respected role in a family or group, without the compromise, adaptability, patience or self sacrifice that everybody else has to employ through years in a long term marriage, bringing up kids, or as part of a family, or community group, which is where you earn that inclusion and company.

These friends in particular are very boundried. The subtext is always "if it's not done like this, I am not coming," to which I say, that's fine, do what you want. Or, because they are used to things being just about them, are not accustomed to pitching in with a group, adapting compromising on some things. But then I know that makes them sad when they don't come or don't take part And they later complain of loneliness again and say that they felt they missed out, but they just cannot adapt or find a compromise or swallow whatever pride it is that's preventing them from going ahead in taking part without all their requirements fulfilled. I have introduced them to each other, and potential dates too, but their reaction has always been extreme "I don't know how you bear that awful stubborn person" (i.e. Just like themselves) or they've taken against someone for one small thing.

I am not saying that all people in this situation are like this or all older people are like this, but i am asking you whether you think that (not withstanding all the exceptions I listed above and more) if you have invested in people in your life, by team work and compromise and adaptability, then you have more of a chance of enjoying family and community life and avoiding loneliness and isolation as you get older m?

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Jupitar · 16/07/2017 13:27

I totally agree with you. You get back what you give out in friendships and relationships. The fact that you've introduced there people to each other and they can't form friendships with each other says so much.

I'm a loner, I love spending time by myself, but have managed to acquire a relationship with a lovely man, 2 children and lots of lovely friends. So many people expect too much for too little and then back off when things don't go their way.

Enjoy your friends and family and don't feel obliged to invite these people along because they feel they're entitled.

user1497357411 · 16/07/2017 14:32

when people are ranting about poor old lonely people in nursery homes and theír terrible families who never visit them I always think that A) They might not have been nice to their families. You cannot expect you DIL to arrange for the family to visit you in nursery home, if you referred to her as "that whore" or "that golddigger" or always used to criticise the way she raised the children or whatever. B) if you were always selfish and never ever used to do anything for anybody but were always a taker never a giver, then what did you expect C) Maybe they were always perfectly nice people but they never raised their children to understand that there is something called duty. Maybe if they had taken their children to visit cranky old granddad or invite grumpy, smelly uncle to birthday parties, just because they are family and in families we look after each other. D) If they are senile and actually a bit afraid of "the stranger" you are to them, then the only reason to visit will be to ensure that they are treated well and well fed, but there is no point in sitting down with them if it just makes them unsettled.

TheSmallClangerWhistlesAgain · 16/07/2017 15:11

People who have been made to prioritise family over their own, chosen relationships in childhood and early adulthood can sometimes feel happier being by themselves, for a while at least. The idea of "duty" towards cranky grandads or smelly old uncles can result in some horrible things happening. My own grandmother was a vicious old witch who took her inexplicable anger towards my dad out on my brother, until Dad quietly intervened and said that DB didn't have to see her any more unless he specifically wanted to. Which he didn't. Ever.

Actually, she was quite a good example of what the OP is talking about. She was so relentlessly mean and horrid to almost everyone that she ended up lonely and complained about it endlessly. It was just her and her disgusting pervy husband in the end.

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