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AIBU to think the Natural History Museum are taking the piss?

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JemimaCuddleFuck · 13/07/2017 21:34

Right now, watching the Horizon documentary on how they moved the blue whale skeleton into the main hall of the NHM and my face is like this Shock

WTAF? The money they must have burned through to move the skeleton. There's the chief guy in charge who had to fly out to California to go whale watching so he could personally witness the dynamics of the whale's movements. Same guy then had to fly to Ireland to have a ganders at the beach where the blue whale washed up.

Then there's the specially designed and custom made contraption used to move the skeleton's head about 20 foot across a room.

And currently watching several curators gingerly using cotton buds to dust a bone that looks about 12 feet in length.

I'm thinking that if this was taking place in the private sector you'd be given half a day to get the whole thing moved, dusted and set up again. And certainly no whale watching trips in the process.

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Spudlet · 14/07/2017 13:53

TabascoToastie The NHM is the first place I remember visiting on my first ever trip to London as a child, and it blew my mind. I can't wait to take DS to see Dippy when he (she? Do we know?) comes to our local city, and to bring him to the museum itself when he's a bit bigger - I'm sure he will have just as memorable a trip as I did. Thank you for what you do!

2014newme · 14/07/2017 14:57

It's very hands off, read and look, not interactive old fashioned museum.
Thousands of children go every day because it has a fantastic collection and because their parents/schools choose to take them. Not because it's child friendly, it's actually much better for adults.
Kids don't care about dippy they will spend one minute looking at bones before they lose interest. It's adults who are keen to look at dippy as it tours the country. I haven't taken m kids to NHM for 5 years. I don't think they've missed out having visited many other museums in UK and abroad during that time. Constantly going to tge same museum is rather unimaginative.

Just my opinion.

BarbarianMum · 14/07/2017 15:00

Well its not Disneyland but i think you are being pretty harsh. There are quite a lot of interactive exhibits - getting a turn is more of a problem due to general numbers. And actually sometimes less is more.

Alfieisnoisy · 14/07/2017 15:17

Tsk! Those pesky Paleontologists eh? What a waste of time and money. Hmm

Sorry OP but you sound a bit...erm....thick if you cannot appreciate WHY they were doing these things. Even thicker once you brought up the old "in the private sector" chestnut. Sadly for you...even in the private sector it is likely to have taken the same amount of time. And if they were being filmed do you think there might have been a smidgen of a chance that the production company thought 'this will make good viewing" and sent the palaeontologist to do some whale watching and...you know...paid for it?

clearingaspaceforthecat · 14/07/2017 15:32

YABU.
The blue whale is the largest animal that has ever existed on our planet and the display is an actual skeleton not a plaster cast.
The guy who flew out wanted to ensure that the skeleton was displayed in such a way as to evoke how the living whale would move through the ocean.
What exactly are you whining about?

RortyCrankle · 14/07/2017 15:38

2014newme
Yanbu op. Whale watching trips superfluous and yes money wasted.
The NHM has an amazing collection but actually for visiting is very child unfriendly. The Oxford natural history museum is better for kids ime.

Totally disagree and when did everything in the world start having to be for the amusement of children? The NHM and other South Ken Museums educate and inform people of all ages.

Lweji · 14/07/2017 15:38

If the whale skeleton was not fossilised, it wouldn't be dealt with by paleontologists either.
A regular zoologist would do.

MrsTerryPratchett · 14/07/2017 15:38

I wonder how many doctors and nurses and researchers and geologists and engineers and architects and scientists got one of their first WOW moments at the NHM and the Science Museum. How many people realised that science was incredible and awesome.

I went as a child and I took DD as soon as I could.

Bombus · 14/07/2017 15:44

Kids don't care about dippy they will spend one minute looking at bones before they lose interest. It's adults who are keen to look at dippy as it tours the country.

Wow. In my experience, kids certainly do care about Dippy and the other dinosaurs, along with some of all the other 80 million specimens. I agree that the Oxford NH Museum is great, especially the Pitt Rivers section, but it is no way as impressive as the NHM.

Lweji · 14/07/2017 15:47

Even if it was only the adults who enjoy the dinosaur bones, why shouldn't they be able to?
I visited the NHM a few times before DS was born, a couple of times professionally but took the opportunity to look at a few things anyway.

I hope they have improved the dinosaur exhibit by now, though.

ladyballs · 14/07/2017 16:00

YABU. I've been privileged to see a blue whale in the wild and that are magnificent. I can't wait to see the exhibit.

Batteriesallgone · 14/07/2017 16:18

I think it depends entirely on the age of the kids tbh. A 8 year old can be blown away by something their 5 year old self would have be bored at after 5mins. It's up to the parents to judge if their kids are at the right stage to appreciate the NHM.

howabout · 14/07/2017 16:42

I took my 3 year old to a lecture given by the Prof who carried out the televised T-Rex Autopsy - it was a public shortish family lecture as part of science week. She and all the other pre-schoolers present were totally absorbed as were all their parents.

She is now 5. This year as part of science week we were examining animal skulls and how lions sheer away the flesh on their prey. She came home and spent dinner time explaining it all to her Dad.

Big mistake to underestimate the imagination and comprehension of young children.

hackmum · 14/07/2017 16:48

Heaven forbid the public sector spend time and money doing things properly rather than just taking the slapdash, quick-fix, cheap-as-chips approach you'd get in the private sector.

megletthesecond · 14/07/2017 16:53

Yabu.

I wasn't sure about moving Dippy at first but now I think its a genius idea and the whale deserves the hall. The documentary was ace.

TestTubeTeen · 14/07/2017 16:56

OP, can you point us to the carefully preserved, curated and catalogued massive museum of the natural world which is maintained by the private sector, please?

And can you explain who pays for the lavish expense accounts and hotel bills sloshed around in some areas of the private sector? If not ultimately me, the customer?

SnakesandKnives · 14/07/2017 17:03

Love BoomBookCousins view of private sector - very funny and so true!

Watched the programme - really good considering it was basically about rremovals! And as several others have pointed out - the bbc do like to try and add a bit of tension to stuff like this, hence the head/door 'excitement'.

Like most on here, the NHM is a key part of my childhood (I much more clearly remember the first time I saw the reason blue whale than dippy - the size is just outrageous) and just awesome place.

ComputerUserNotTrained · 14/07/2017 17:27

yy, Boom's description is excellent!

The whole private sector = efficient, public = inefficient thing is so tiresome, not to mention inaccurate.

Ifitquackslikeaduck · 14/07/2017 17:53

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Blatherskite · 14/07/2017 18:17

My 7 year old is totally engrossed in the program. Well worth every penny. I hope they've got some Dippy toys in the shop when we get there!

nerdgasm · 14/07/2017 19:02

I'm a museum curator (not at the NHM) who's just read this thread on my way home after a particularly strenuous day at work. I almost burst into tears (yes, possibly a tad oversensitive today...)

We take the objects in our care (and 'care' really IS the word) incredibly seriously. They don't belong to us, or to the museum, they belong to 'the nation' and it's our job to make sure they stay safe and available to the public not just for now, but for generations to come. It might sound cheesy but it's true.

Yes, the 'private sector' might be able to 'move stuff' in half a day, but the 'stuff' you're moving isn't remotely comparable. I've worked in the private sector before where I was responsible for moving around equipment worth millions of dollars. If something went wrong and I broke something, it would be horribly expensive and embarrassing but ultimately the insurance would probably cover it and we'd get a replacement. But now if I break something, I've potentially destroyed hundreds or thousands of years of history.

A whale skeleton isn't something you just whack on a forklift and hope for the best. Everyone involved in that move will have been preparing for months, if not years, to ensure that the object stayed safe and that it got where it needed to be. As for the 'curators' (actually, more likely conservators) cleaning it with cotton buds, how else do you think they should clean it? Unless you're a trained conservator of natural history specimens yourself, then perhaps you could recognise that those people probably know what they're doing and are doing it that way for a reason.

As for moaning about public money being wasted: yes, museums get SOME public funding (which is getting less and less all the time) but they also do an awful lot of fundraising so that they can pull off projects like this while also keeping their galleries open for the public to visit free of charge. Museum staff get paid bugger all. Some of the brightest academic minds in the country are working in museums and have accepted that they'll never have any disposable income, never own their own homes and facing the prospect of further job cuts all the time. And yet people still look at the work we do and think it's pointless or 'taking the piss' or that we all just fanny around with cotton buds for no reason while we have a lovely time spending the public's money.

Sorry for the rant but reading this just REALLY got me down today. I know we're not doctors or nurses but I still believe that the job we do IS important to the country and we all care incredibly deeply about it. It's pretty sad to see that so many people just think it's a big waste of time or that they could do it better themselves.

Tell you what, why don't you call me next time you safely transport and install a giant whale skeleton on your office ceiling? I'll happily eat my words then.

user1497480444 · 14/07/2017 19:24

nerdgasm, please don't be upset, we love our museums, they are a valued and enriching part of our family life, and we appreciate the job you do hugely.

user1497480444 · 14/07/2017 19:28

Kids don't care about dippy they will spend one minute looking at bones before they lose interest.

that's just not true, it is an exhibit that sparks fantasy and imagination, and leads further interest and knowledge seeking. Dippy is amazing, and has inspired millions of children for years. I'm sure the blue whale is fab too, We may go and see it next week.

nerdgasm · 14/07/2017 19:39

Thank you user, I love my job really and it's lovely to see children enjoying the museums!

ShelaghTurner · 14/07/2017 19:42

As a national museum employee in my heyday (not NHM) there is a HUGE anount of work that has to be done to set up even the smallest, most straightforward looking display. People dedicate their lives to making sure things are preserved and displayed for the likes of you, and it’s not a well paid area. You don’t go into museum work for the money.

You may not see the value of it, but thankfully plenty of other people do.

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