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AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

to think that trying to obtain a diagnosis for a girl with ASD is like banging your head against a wall?

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Busybecca · 28/06/2017 22:37

DD is almost 5. She has struggled daily, forever. Her sleep is appalling. She hates affection or physical contact - screams throughout teeth and hair brushing and washing. She has a very limited diet and eats the same foods in the same order each day. She has never had a friend. She isolates herself. She has no tact whatsoever. One minor incident in the morning will mean the rest of the day is a write off. She won't use toilets anywhere but home and doesn't want to go out. She flaps and covers her ears at crowds and noise. She used to run into the road to escape if the wind blew on her. I have worked with children with ASD and am 100% sure that is why she's struggling.

Before she started nursery I went in to voice my concerns. I told them DD was under a paediatrician and handed them the autism questionnaire to complete and return three months after starting nursery. DD would come out of nursery and completely ignore the other children. She wouldn't eat, drink or use the toilet there. She said it was too noisy and the other children were irritating. A little girl took a particular liking to DD and one day was distraught because DD told her she didn't like her and to leave her alone. Her teacher told her off (which sends DD absolutely hysterical - even the slightest hint of wrongdoing and she cannot cope) and later I spoke to DD and she just couldn't see what the problem with being honest was, and thought it was good that the girl had been upset because maybe she'd leave her alone now. I organised play dates with friends DC and DD completely ignored them or actually ran away from them. Nursery completed the questionnaire after she'd been there for three sessions answering the direct opposite to anything that might indicate autism and wrote that DD presents as a completely normal 3 year old Hmm

When she started reception, again she wouldn't eat, drink or use the toilet for the first six months. She'd go to activities Then move away if other children joined her. She ignored her peers outside of school. She's always been reluctant to go and the morning is full of upset but it's nothing to do with leaving me. Her work was years above the average. Her reception teacher only filled in three questions and wrote that the rest weren't relevant to this age group Angry

So another six months to wait for a review and today I discovered what the new reception teacher had responded to the questionnaire. It only scored 50 so no diagnosis. The 'struggles to make friends' question was answered 'slightly agree' - she's only last week classed someone as a friend, before this everyone was too noisy end irritating. The 'struggles with changes to routine' was definitely disagreed with, even though she's come out of school inconsolable if the teacher or day has unexpectedly changed.

The paediatrician kept repeating that she's coping fine at school and doing really well in her school work so there's no need to worry. That she may well have traits but as long as it doesn't affect her schooling it's fine Hmm Have we tried sleep training? Have we tried refusing to let her be faddy with food? Have we tried punishing her for hitting and being rude? Apparently all her issues must just be coincidences because she's alright during school hours.

It's bloody ridiculous that I see her 1:1 in so many situations and how she struggles, and know how we adapt absolutely everything to her yet her teacher who has thirty other children to concentrate on holds more weight than I do. It's ridiculous that the paediatrician thinks that because she can hold it together for a few hours at school, the hours of misery at home don't matter.

I argued my way to a further review but honestly, I feel it's pointless and that as long as DD continues to be withdrawn and isolated at school then she's going to be totally ignored and unsupported. AIBU to think the whole process is absolutely flawed and frustrating?

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ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 11:38

Elusive fair play :) I'm a bit sensitive about it all atm. Dd's teacher is failing dd despite the diagnosis and I cried all over them SENCO yesterday Blush

vickibee · 29/06/2017 11:46

I mistakely thought a dx woul equal additional support but it was made perfectly clear ny HT that ot does not. He can access curriculum so does mot qualify. We pay 25 per week for a private tutor to help as school provide nothing. Prob worse when ge goes to 2ndry. I empathise op with your frustration and struggle

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 29/06/2017 11:50

It took several years to get a diagnosis for my DD..who has severe non verbal autism. Terrible

ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 12:06

Finally you'd just believe non verbal would make it even more obvious wouldn't you? :( Shocking.

vicki sounds like dd. Am bloody dreading secondary particularly as we're in catchment for an all girls school.

notanevilstepmother · 29/06/2017 12:08

If the nursery teacher said she presented as normal then it's reasonable to assume there is some degree of masking. If not it doesn't matter, the point is she does not have to demonstrate the behaviour in more than one setting.

notanevilstepmother · 29/06/2017 12:11

Cloud she may be better in a girls school, &massive generalisation& girls seem to leave AS girls alone to get on with it, whereas boys seem to find a challenge in being ignored and will try to interact with AS girls in sometimes unpleasant ways.

notanevilstepmother · 29/06/2017 12:11

Some boys not all boys obv.

vickibee · 29/06/2017 12:13

does she have an IEP? She should have at least this and the school are required to review it every term by class teacher and SENCO. It is there in B & W but I sometimes feel it is a paper pushing exercise that is not acted on. I applied for DLA and use this to pay for private tutor and other stuff, have you applied?
I am thinking of asking for an EHCP but I have been told his needs are not severe enough
(apologies re typo - my phone keyboard is so small)

ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 12:14

not she's horribly lonely already and the girls school is wrong for her in a myriad of ways. She's better at working with boys I think.

ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 12:16

Is that to me vicki? Don't want to blurb it all out if not!Grin

vickibee · 29/06/2017 12:19

yes Cloud and Becca as well, SEN kids should have at least an IEP

My son is also isoalted and has general friends but no one close, never invited anywhere etc it is heartbreaking :(

Msqueen33 · 29/06/2017 12:19

You have my sympathy. I've got two dds with autism. One diagnosed at 6 and the other at 3. Both had language issues so it was more apparent. It really seems to vary which county you're in. We're in Essex and so far so good. But you do have to be pushy.

Msqueen33 · 29/06/2017 12:25

Personally I'd do whatever I needed to to make sure she was happy at home (which no doubt you do). So if she needs a plate separater why not?! Sadly a lot of paediatricians are hugely ignorant around girls and asd. My friend saw one who said her son couldn't have asd because he made eye contact. It's ridiculous. I'd also speak to the school senco about your concerns and see if they can put a few small things in place.

ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 12:33

:) Yes vicki we have the IEP but fundamentally because she's so clever it's all about unquantifiable emotional, social and sensory things. We're going to try EHCP in September but she doesn't fit county's profile and I am considering FLA too. She has quite bad SPD.

ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 12:34

DLA not FLA!

ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 12:38

We've had a nightmare this week as she was excluded from group work by all the groups including her 'friends' and had to work alone while all the groups worked together on a fun project day. She asked them, was rejected, the teacher did nothing and she spent the whole day alone and lonely while everyone else had fun. I am quite frankly in pieces. :(

LooksLikeImStuckHere · 29/06/2017 12:44

I'm sorry you've had this experience. I've been SENCO for many years and I'm only too well aware that some children are absolutely fine at school and then cannot cope once they return home. I've always sought to support these children by writing on the reports that we don't see it at school but filling it full of reports from home and supporting the parents. Failing that, I would do a home visit so that it could be included in my report.

The school should have evidence from the Early Years and beyond of observations that have been made. You are legally entitled to look at these if they haven't already been shared. You could enlist the help of a private clinician to sift through the data to find evidence because I bet there will be some. Also agree that you should not have to do this.

I once argued with a paediatrician that a child in my class had Autism. They said that he 'did not meet the triad'. Fuckers. Three years and a minimum amount of support later and suddenly there was a 'oh, this little boy may have autism' from the doctors in an unrelated field. Paediatrician returns and diagnosis is made. If they'd just listened (and believed me) in the first place, he wouldn't have had to fail Angry.

I would push for the class teacher or SENCO to do a home visit before the next assessment. If they won't, call the SEN team at your local authority and tell them what's going on. There should be ASD specialists there who could help.

Rossigigi · 29/06/2017 12:46

cloud that is so sad Sad what did the teacher say to you about it?

ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 12:56

I have gone straight to the SENCO with it in writing as I'm so upset. The SENCO said she felt like crying. I don't think I can talk to the teacher without crying atm.

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 29/06/2017 12:58

Can you go to the head

differentnameforthis · 29/06/2017 13:01

My dd was dx recently. During our "journey" (which wasn't long, thankfully, even though she is 8, it didn't become apparent until about 12mth ago) we saw a paed who actually specializes in Autism. In fact, he is the leading paed for our state (am in Oz) and while he agreed that she had multiple sensory issues, he did not once mention that she may be autistic, even though (as I now know) she displayed clear behaviours that indicate autism.

We ended paying privately for dd, as our wait list is far too long, and after seeing this paed (who we would have been refereed to again for ASD assess) I didn't have any faith that he would see it. He has already said a friend's dd wasn't, when she clearly is (she was dx earlier last yr)

Professionals have also told me that I allow dd to have sensory issues, and I just need to make her stop, which is pretty much what the paed said too. I have NO faith in the public system for ASD, especially in girls.

Thankfully, the school accepted the private dual dx with no fuss!

ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 13:03

I ought to give SENCO a chance - she's out now for the rest of the week. But yes, my ex teacher mum wants me to take it to the head. I just need to get my emotions under some sort of control first.

Rossigigi · 29/06/2017 13:06

I'm so sorry Cloud that is heartbreaking and I fell upset for your dc. I can understand you wanting to get your emotions together but that really does need to be taken further x

FinallyThroughTheRoof · 29/06/2017 13:10

How is your DD now?

ExplodedCloud · 29/06/2017 13:12

Thank you. I may have to send DH in for that one.

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