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To think there are higher priorities than Buckingham Palace.

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lazylab · 27/06/2017 18:53

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/queen-elizabeth-pay-rise-royal-public-funds-buckingham-palace-sovereign-grant-royal-family-crown-a7809716.html

Whether or not we agree with the monachy i don't think now is the time to throw millions of taxpayers money at one huge old palace. There are far far more important things that need our money. Anyone agree?

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user1497480444 · 28/06/2017 18:07

Stolen from the people by William the Conqueror.

er no, taken from the PREVIOUS royals, not from "the people" at all, who at the time would have been serfs

MacarenaFerreiro · 28/06/2017 18:08

We aren't allocating extra cash because the Queen has decided she doesn't like the wallpaper or fancies popping to Ikea for some new flatpacks.

The money is to replace things like boilers and wiring which are 60 years old and downright dangerous. Essential work, just like what's going on at the Houses of Parliament. Tourists DO come to see the palace - we have friends who have visited us in the UK from Switzerland, Germany, Japan and South Korea and every one has had Big Ben and Buck House at the top of their "must see" list. It really is a symbol of the UK, whatever you think of the monarchy. Also Buckingham Palace belongs to the UK and we allow the Queen to live there, it's not her personal property.

user1497480444 · 28/06/2017 18:11

its crazy to complain about how the royal family came by their land. Everyone who owns any land, be it a terraced house, a patio or a car parking space, will have bought it from someone who bought it from someone who................ eventually if you go far back enough, , from someone who took it by being the strongest and scariest, or just plain stuck a stake in the ground and said "mine".

christinarossetti · 28/06/2017 18:19

It is a bit ironic though that one of the reasons given for the necessity of the works is that some aspects of the building are downright dangerous.

It's a shame that the same concern for the welfare of the inhabitants isn't a bit more of a universal principle.

Orlantina · 28/06/2017 18:27

its crazy to complain about how the royal family came by their land

Not really. What land do you think the Royal Family own?

Orlantina · 28/06/2017 18:28

its crazy to complain about how the royal family came by their land

Unless you think you are a subject.

Fuck that.

Orlantina · 28/06/2017 18:29

er no, taken from the PREVIOUS royals, not from "the people" at all

I think land 'rights' were different back then.

Ever wondered why William started the Domesday book?

Orlantina · 28/06/2017 18:35

Ever wondered about how land is divided up in the UK?

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/17/high-house-prices-inequality-normans

ake house prices. According to the author Kevin Cahill, the main driver behind the absurd expense of owning land and property in Britain is that so much of the nation's land is locked up by a tiny elite. Just 0.3% of the population – 160,000 families – own two thirds of the country

Less than 1% of the population owns 70% of the land, running Britain a close second to Brazil for the title of the country with the most unequal land distribution on Earth.

Much of this can be traced back to 1066. The first act of William the Conqueror, in 1067, was to declare that every acre of land in England now belonged to the monarch. This was unprecedented: Anglo-Saxon England had been a mosaic of landowners. Now there was just one. William then proceeded to parcel much of that land out to those who had fought with him at Hastings. This was the beginning of feudalism; it was also the beginning of the landowning culture that has plagued England – and Britain – ever since.

The dukes and earls who still own so much of the nation's land, and who feature every year on the breathless rich lists, are the beneficiaries of this astonishing land grab. William's 22nd great-granddaughter, who today sits on the throne, is still the legal owner of the whole of England. Even your house, if you've been able to afford one, is technically hers. You're a tenant, and the price of your tenancy is your loyalty to the crown. When the current monarch dies, her son will inherit the crown (another Norman innovation, incidentally, since Anglo-Saxon kings were elected). As Duke of Cornwall, he is the inheritor of land that William gave to Brian of Brittany in 1068, for helping to defeat the English at Hastings

lazylab · 28/06/2017 18:35

Yeah it belongs to the UK, we're paying for it, but we can't visit it unless we pay £21. The queen gets to live there in all its splendour, the royals have a fortune of over £55 billion, they should at least pay for the repairs. Dont tell me why should they because they don't own it, they might as well, they're the only ones who get to enjoy living there. As long as they're alright that's all that counts, the rest of us.....we can all eat cake.

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lazylab · 28/06/2017 18:38

user1497..... that's a ridiculous comparison.

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SamanthaBrique · 28/06/2017 18:48

Elected head of state. Donald J Trump.I think that's all need be said on that subject.

Actually no, you could also say that there's the option to get rid of him after 4 years (as indeed would be in the case of President Blair, another great favourite) and, in the US, he'd only be head of state for a maximum of 8.

Frillyhorseyknickers · 28/06/2017 18:53

Dont tell me why should they because they don't own it, they might as well, they're the only ones who get to enjoy living there.

So by your reckoning, they shouldn't benefit from Sov Grant because they don't own the CE outright, but they should personally finance Buck Palace despite not owning it?

Champagne socialism is going to suit you down to the ground OP. 🙄

user1497480444 · 28/06/2017 18:57

user1497..... that's a ridiculous comparison. rubbish, people own things, fact. some people own more than other people. also a fact.

You have access to a computer and electricity. You own vastly more than most, and hugely unfairly so, according to your own lights. so are you going to forgo all future contact with electronic devices in solidarity with the Congalese who produce vital components for such devices in conditions of slave labour? Cos you clearly have not done so yet.

lazylab · 28/06/2017 19:01

Call it what you want frilly , i just happen to have a moral conscience. At a time like this a royal palace should be last on the list of priorities but obviously you don't agree.

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Pr1ncessPeach · 28/06/2017 19:01

You know what, I feel this country really has its priorities back to front, this really is a piss poor time for this announcement to come out - no wonder people are so goddam pissed off - as this country is all about the haves and have nots and the timing of this seems to be a literal piss take

Ma'am gets millions spent on her house for urgent repairs, but no one gave a poo about the cheapo cladding on Grenfell and the other 140 tower blocks that have it on (140 and counting)

The royal family are hardly showing solidarity with the rest of the country are they?

With police cuts, crime rates are through the roof, and terrorism has got a foot hold. Dangerous practises like at Grenfell are costing lives , we have a massive homeless problem, cuts on the NHS, and yet somehow, somehow the royal family get everything they ever need.

I think they couldn't be taking the piss more, if they tried, this really sends a signal out to the rest of the country that says ''UP YOURS'' as they are clearly more important than the rest of the country put together

I think its really crass and undignified and any respect I had for any of them, has gone completely out of the window

aquashiv · 28/06/2017 19:02

Tourists come for many reasons hardly enough to justify the huge cost of the whole Royal Family.

Pr1ncessPeach · 28/06/2017 19:04

It's one of the things that represents our history and our very British way of life

This is a joke, no one seems to give a fig about the 'British way of life' - there really isn't one any more - of our own choosing, we are so completely diluted with multiculturalism that we don't actually have our own identity any more.

Pr1ncessPeach · 28/06/2017 19:15

I resent having an extremely rich and privileged family as 'heads of state' when all they have done to earn it, is be born.

It is sickening in this day and age that we surrender control to someone whose only achievement is to be born

I think it is about time we had a referendum and voted on whether to abolish the royal family and make them extinct like dinosaurs.

Buttercup12233 · 28/06/2017 19:16

Dont tell me why should they because they don't own it, they might as well, they're the only ones who get to enjoy living there

Buckingham Palace is used for hundreds of official receptions and events throughout the year. It's also open to the public and houses the Royal administration. The Queen hardly has exclusive use!

user1497480444 · 28/06/2017 19:21

I resent having an extremely rich and privileged family as 'heads of state' when all they have done to earn it, is be born.

you are exceptionally rich and privileged compared to much of the world, for no other reason than you were born to it.

Does your resentment stretch to your own wealth and privilege?

lazylab · 28/06/2017 19:24

Excellent post peach , unfortunately there are many who prefer to see an obscenely rich money grabbing family take precedence. The queen in her greed to take even more off her struggling people, fails to see the injustice and the unbelievable bad timing.

This uncaring government is quite willing to have hoards of people living on the streets because of sanctions, zero contract hours etc. Thousands of sick and disabled cut off from benefits, people relying on food banks to feed their kids, not enough police, not enough nurses, hospitals struggling to cope.....the list goes on and on, but what the hell, lets get our priorities right, we'll just give the queen a whopping 8% pay rise so she can get her 775 room palace done up, to hell with the real problems.Angry

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lazylab · 28/06/2017 19:41

user but at least we go out and earn our money, the RF get it given. Stupid comparison.

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Dontloookbackinanger · 28/06/2017 19:41

Are you seriously suggesting that when Heads of State visit Britain we should host them in crumbling rooms with dangerous electrics and no heating?

I'm sure that would really improve our position on the World stage. Hmm

Puzzledandpissedoff · 28/06/2017 19:51

unfortunately there are many who prefer to see an obscenely rich money grabbing family take precedence

To be fair, elected presidents also tend to come from among those with wealth, and some of them aren't exactly averse to money grabbing

The difference, of course, is that they can be got rid of at election time and nobody's forced to put up with their all-too-obvious limitations until they die

lazylab · 28/06/2017 20:11

You make it sound like Buckingham palace is a hovel, crumbling rooms? hardly, but even if it was so, there are many many places to host heads of state. i'm sure other countries (without unelected heads) manage fine.

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