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Or am I thick? Surely it can't be legal

63 replies

PolaDeVeboise · 27/06/2017 14:45

To use OUR money to 'buy' a majority to push through your manifesto (edited version or no)?

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IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 27/06/2017 22:13

I agree with you OP.

I cannot comprehend why the country isn't so angry about this, that we aren't all rioting in the streets, or something, anything to show how fucking angry we are.

I want to do something but don't know what!

Viviennemary · 27/06/2017 22:15

This coalition is outrageous and I hope it is challenged. Every time I hear that awful women I have to change channels. This won't end well IMHO.

iwouldgoouttonight · 27/06/2017 22:15

That's what I thought ragged. So this Tory/DUP fiasco is all kinds of wrong. Just paying for votes. And that's not even beginning to think about the effect it might have on the Good Friday agreement.

iwouldgoouttonight · 27/06/2017 22:20

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday I know what you mean. I wasn't happy about the Brexit vote (or the Torys being in power in the first place) but I accepted that is democracy. This doesn't feel like democracy. It feels like the opposite. I feel as though I want to do something about it but no idea what.

I've got a far as a strongly worded email to 10 Downing Street. Blush

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 27/06/2017 22:21

I am having to limit how much news I watch/listen to. I'm just getting so angry and anxious about what is happening.
I don't want Brexit and I don't want a Tory govt. I know the govt will change one day, but Brexit can't be changed.Sad

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 27/06/2017 22:22

Sorry Xposted, yes I feel exactly the same iwould. I expect we arent the only ones!

Sara107 · 27/06/2017 22:26

The DUP have secured this billion pounds for investment into health, education, infrastructure etc in NI. I personally wonder how much of this new investment will actually happen on the ground, as the money lost by the DUP 'cash for ash' scheme is estimated to be in the region of 0.5 to 1 billion ££s. So my bet is that the 'bung' money will be used to plug the gaps left by paying off that, deflecting attention from a scheme which was at least incompetent and poorly thought through and very likely corrupt and fraudulent. This deal stinks in so many ways I think it will surely damage the Tories. Surely?

TheVoiceofDoom · 27/06/2017 22:27

The sudden finding of the magic money tree seems very distasteful. Shameful in fact.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 27/06/2017 22:31

If the Tories was serious about NIs welfare and what they needed NI wouldn't have had to wait seven years to get it!

Always has and always will be about self interest.

EngTech · 27/06/2017 22:32

I thought JC was going to be PM within 6 months.

If that happens, the DUP deal is null and void.

Sorted 😀👍

Slimthistime · 27/06/2017 22:46

Legality threw me too
How is it different to bribing individuals to vote a certain way?

engineersthumb · 27/06/2017 22:49

Pledging support in a title for tat deal on policy / policy modification is largely acceptable. Pledging blind support in return for cash is corrupt practice. Sounds like something you would expect of Vladimir Putin!

FriendPlease · 27/06/2017 22:52

It absolutely does not seem right. And I doubt NI will benefit from that money, I doubt it will be invested in something that would help out their economy or the population there. I'm sure it will be used in some scammy scheme to line the pockets of those who are already rich.

And the only defense seems to be that somebody else (corbyn) maybe could have done something much worse (or as bad) in a hypothetical situation. So basically everyone agrees that it's wrong and nobody can defend the actual decision.

StillDrivingMeBonkers · 27/06/2017 22:54

You do know most of the money was agreed in 2014 in the Stormont agreement?

TheSquatLobster · 27/06/2017 23:00

You're not the only ones. Every time I think it can't get any worse . . . it gets worse!

We can at least demonstrate our hatred of what she's doing here

Or here

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 27/06/2017 23:02

No I didn't know that Still. Do you have a link?

Jellykat · 27/06/2017 23:05

Thats exactly what i've been thinking Slim, i thought bribing people to gain votes was illegal?

AwaywiththePixies27 · 27/06/2017 23:07

The extra £500m had already been promised. Not most of it.

The £1bn is simply a desperate attempt to ask the DUP to make the Tories still look somewhat relevant.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 27/06/2017 23:07

Thanks Squat. Love the "Leaving drinks".Grin Unfortunately can't attend but wish I could.

NameChanger22 · 27/06/2017 23:10

I think it is bribery and corruption. It's being done in plain sight. How can they get away with it? We don't live in a fair and democratic society.

AwaywiththePixies27 · 27/06/2017 23:11

Slim it's complicated, but it's basically seen as helping each other out.

May is helping boost certain areas in NI that are desperate for funding whilst the DUP will then in turn pledge to support her in certain votes in parliament. (10MPs i believe).

Bit different to someone offering you £20 for a labour vote.

NameChanger22 · 27/06/2017 23:14

Why are people trying to justify it? It's completely fucked up. If you are morally bankrupt then you might not be able to see it. Most people can see it.

TheSquatLobster · 27/06/2017 23:23

No Pixies not at all different to someone offering you £20 for a labour vote (except that no-one is offering anyone £20 for a labour vote).

Why are people trying to justify it? It's completely fucked up. If you are morally bankrupt then you might not be able to see it. Most people can see it.

Exactly, NameChanger

Peregrina · 27/06/2017 23:28

At least with the Lib Dems the party had something approaching 60 seats and was represented in three out of four of the UK countries, when they went into Coalition. It almost destroyed them, even though people can now see with hindsight tha they were a moderating influence. With the DUP it represents a sectarian group in one country. How would we feel if Labour formed a coalition with the SNP? Even now, the SNP are the largest party in Scotland, but they only represent the Scots.

I see nothing wrong in giving money to NI - but what about the depressed parts of England, plus Wales and Scotland - why can't the magic money tree be harvested for them?

Viviennemary · 27/06/2017 23:29

It's like a corrupt third world tin pot dictatorship. Sometimes I hate this country. Sad