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To think there should be sanctions for criminals who refuse to disclose what they have done with a victims body?

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LottieandMia · 21/06/2017 11:19

I've recently watched the programme about April Jones and her poor mother explaining how she may have to accept that she will never know what happened to her daughter.

Couldn't more be done to put pressure on killers to compel them to say where a body is? It is just absolutely unthinkable that an innocent victim should be denied a burial and their families denied closure on top of everything else they have been through.

I know this isn't straightforward since these people are liars. I just feel it's terrible that people who have committed heinous crimes can continue to exact torture on their victims from their prison cell.

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 22/06/2017 19:11

Bleeding right there should be.
I'd stick a red hot poker up their arse hole.
They'd soon speak out.
Ive got no problem at all with saying that.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 22/06/2017 19:18

Potato. Having your child murdered and Not being able to bury them
Is what you call unimaginably horrific
April and her family didn't have a choice. That dirty fucking perverted cunt made the decision to kill her, so Im sorry but He deserves to live an unimaginably horrific life. But. Let me tell you. It won't be half as horrific as it is for April's family.
Sorry there's no pitty for perverts here.

LottieandMia · 22/06/2017 19:22

I'm not sorry for someone having to endure solitary confinement as a punishment for a conscious decision to stop a family from being able to bury their own child.

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Haliez13 · 22/06/2017 19:33

Awwlookatmybabyspider - so you'd be happy slowly torturing someone like Paul Blackburn, who confessed under police interrogation to the sexual assault and attempted murder of a nine year old boy?

How about Andrew Evans who confessed to the murder of 14-year-old Judith Roberts?

Stefan Kiszko was also convicted of the rape and murder of a child. You'd like to torture him with your own hands?

And that wouldn't make you a monster? Just a perfectly reasonable human being and doing that would just make the world a better place?

LottieandMia · 22/06/2017 19:44

I am not an advocate of torture. However, I think there should be considered thought given to periods of solitary confinement and also interviews with psychologists that are ongoing.

In the April Jones case it would be highly unlikely that Mark Bridger did not kill April since her blood was found in his house.

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Awwlookatmybabyspider · 22/06/2017 19:47

Torturing a pervert wouldn't be an issue to me.

Haliez13 · 22/06/2017 19:57

So three men who were all later cleared of their crimes and the police found to have forced confessions in two cases? You'd be happy to have made sure their time in prison was spent in excruciating pain?

Your kind of attitude is so incredibly dangerous.

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 22/06/2017 20:20

Woe. You're twisting things.
I'm not on about the ones where they haven't actually got a conviction.or even charged
I'm talking about the likes of Mark Bridger who has been convicted and who blatantly refuses to say where April is, because. Our laws allow them to do that.
Don't be waiting for an apology about how I feel, because. It ain't happening.

Haliez13 · 22/06/2017 20:37

Well, all the people I listed were charged, following confessions that were later found to be forced, and convicted and spent years in jail.

What I'm saying is that you will never have any way of being entirely sure that you're not torturing an innocent person. I mean, frankly, I also think if you're willing to torture anyone you're going to a very dark place and that history has taught us that society never benefits from decreeing that human rights are not universal and can be suspended for a specific class of person.

But the point I'm making is that you can't be sure you'd only be torturing monsters.

Which is why we have the safeguards in our legal system that we have.

Jellymuffin · 22/06/2017 21:22

I am totally against the death penalty (because I believe it takes the moral high ground from a society - you can't commit violence AND condemn violence) however, I am all for mob justice in prisons and believe the nasty fuckers should have to fend for themselves against the real hard men in there. I've heard child rapists are desperate for solitary confinement for obvious reasons.

LurkingHusband · 22/06/2017 21:45

Stefan Kiszko was also convicted of the rape and murder of a child. You'd like to torture him with your own hands?

I defy anyone to read this and then re-affirm the medieval posts preceding ...

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