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To consider cutting off a friend?

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thishousewontcleanitself · 21/03/2007 09:25

Truly interested in your opinions here.

Following on from emkana's 'perfect' thread, I have a friend who is currently driving me up the wall, and I would love to not have to see her or her dd anymore, but I feel very guilty about it.

We were pg together and our children went to the same playgroup. She's lovely, we get on very well as adults, but when it comes to our dcs, well...

Basically, she has a 'child genius' daughter. Now, I know we all think our dcs are the best, but she shoves it down my throat the whole time. This kid is 3 months older than ds (2.1) and yes, is very advanced - can speak 'proper' sentences, draws circles, squares and triangles, knows all the letters of the alphabet and their phonic sounds as well, can count to twenty...

I don't think I'd mind any of this if she was a nice child, but she isn't and, tbh never really has been - we visited this week and she spent the entire time taking toys off ds and slapping, pushing and shoving him away, then screaming for her mother if she didn't get her way. She has no social skills whatsoever. She also slammed ds's hand in the door (okay, I'm sure that wasn't on purpose but she wouldn't open the door either while ds was screaming so I'm sure you can see why I'm a bit biased!).

They don't have stairgates or door stops in their house as dd is 'beyond all that' but ds isn't and I was constantly on edge after that.

My friend's reaction to this behaviour was to say 'well, they don't really play together at that age, do they?' and not once telling her off for hitting and shoving except in a very laid-back, 'now then, dd, we don't do that, do we' from her sofa across the room. I really felt like showing her how my ds and his other friends play, they totally interact and have a great giggly time playing chase, tea parties etc.

I think I could probably forgive all of this if it weren't for the constant parading of her dd's brains - the child was shoved in front of me and asked 'what was the name of the special doctor that nanna had to go and see, dd?' to which she replied 'podiatrist' and my friend beamed at me as if to say 'look! Isn't she fabulous!' to which I was very tempted to reply 'wow, she can parrot well, can't she?' DD was also prevailed upon to tell me the alphabet, draw me a circle and sing me a song.

As ds is entirely normal with no outstanding characteristics whatsoever (barely says a word, draws like a scribbling loon, is convinced that pigs are sheep) except a very sunny personality, I was left feeling a bit inferior. I made a jokey comment about his not being up to her levels and she said 'well, we can't all be intelligent, can we?'

Also - and I'd love to know what you think of this - she made lunch and it was pasta with rocket, black olives and some kind of italian ham (the stuff that looks raw). No sauce. Huge bowlfuls of this were plonked down in front of the dcs. Ds is fussy with his food at the best of times and this just puzzled him - he started playing with it. Of course, dd ate it all up whilst my friend beamed at her 'of course dd has a refined palate, we took her to Umbria a few months back and she adored the antipasto there' - is this just so much middle-class twattage or what?? (perhaps I'm , I don't know...)

So of course ds was hungry (no other food was offered) and got a bit agitated. I said I'd better take him home and friend got really distressed, 'oh, no, do you have to go?' and I felt really bad.

I think she's probably lonely and possibly a bit insecure - her dp's job has moved and she doesn't really know anyone in the area, there aren't a lot of other children around in the tiny village they live in.

My friend is a sahm, her dd has never been away from her, they've moved quite a long way (50min car journey) away and I don't think her dd has been to playgroups etc since then as there aren't any in the area.

She has actually said to me that she isn't going to send dd to pre-school as she can't bear to let go...

So I feel awful about even thinking about cutting her off as a friend, but I also felt incredibly aggrieved that I'd driven for 50mins to be patronised, have ds pushed about and ignored and then get fed some godawful dinner party food that no normal child would eat!

So, I like her, but I hate her attitude to her dd and I'm beginning to heartily dislike her dd into the bargain - for which i feel even more guilty as she's only a child...

What would you do?

OP posts:
BandofMothers · 21/03/2007 11:04

Powder
I guess there's nothing you can do then, except be there for her when it all falls apart.

wannaBeWhateverIWannaBe · 21/03/2007 11:05

and powder your bil sounds like a charming man - not.

powder28 · 21/03/2007 11:10

Also my sister is her firstborn so I think that makes it even harder for her.

thishousewontcleanitself · 21/03/2007 11:10

@ wannabe

Yes, maybe I am , maybe I am as comparing in my own way, but I don't tell my friend about my ds's social skills, whereas I get her dd's intellectual superiority rammed down me at every opportunity.

And personally I wouldn't dream of cooking something for someone else (child or adult) without asking if they had any likes/dislikes - I hate olives, but I ate them to be polite

Thanks to everyone else for their constructive advice.

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bozza · 21/03/2007 11:11

I think you could perhaps ease back a little without totally giving up. Yes the comparing and lack of discipline drives you wild. but if it is only every so often it might not be so bad. And hopefully once her child gets a bit older she will start to chill a bit.

I agree with others about the lunch. Not sure mine at that age would have eaten the rocket or olives, although probably the parma ham and they would definitely have been happy just picking the pasta out and eating that with no problem whatsoever. OK not an ideal lunch - just a bowl of plain pasta but enough fuel to keep them going.

ipanemagirl · 21/03/2007 11:22

thishouse - this is proper dilemma and I empathise having been in almost an identical one myself and I still struggle with a good friend who brags endlessly about her dd's accomplisments. You are very compassionate about her as well.

The question is: How valuable is her friendship to you?

If it is still of value then is there any way you could be open about your discomfort? You are perfectly legitimate in doing so and if she can take it on board you might be really helping her.

Something like "I really value you as a friend but I find it difficult to handle your talking about your dd's achievements - my ds isn't in the same place so it's naturally hard to not feel uncomfortable." You can even say "Maybe it's me - but just to let you know and I don't want to hurt your feelings etc etc"

Maybe that's impossibly hard ( I know I'd find it hard!) but if you can keep a friendship after that - then it will be a much deeper and valuable one!

But the dd's behaviour - that's a tough one - most friendships can't survive the child that is never told off!

SSShakeTheChi · 21/03/2007 11:34

I dropped a "friend" I knew from toddler group for her nauseating comparisons of my dd and her ds. I took it in my stride till she said something in front of dd. Dd answered her and this woman turned to me (right in front of dd) and said "oh your dd doesn't speak very well yet, does she? My ds is so much more advanced and speaks much better than she does." I told her why I dropped her though and I'm fine with it. Haven't missed those visits at all. Who needs it? She told me she was just insecure which was obvious but why should I or my dd have to bear the brunt of it?

She was a bit like this woman you mention in that she'd be constantly priming her ds with new knowledge, like counting to 100 or backwards from 20 or some such thing. And then she'd say, "oh your dd CAN'T do that yet? Really? Ds has been able to do that for about 6 months." Mind you if I had been coaching her to count backwards from 20 aged 2, she could have done it too!

WanderingTrolley · 21/03/2007 11:46

I think she was desperate to impress you - she prob values your friendship more than you know.

Totally agree with everyone re:insecurity on her part.

If and when you visit again, suggest you both go to a toddler group there, ie get her out of the house.

She sounds unhappy to me, and, to be brutal, a bore! Your ds on the other hand, sounds charming. I feel sorry for her dd - has your friend seen Parenthood?!

helenhismadwife · 21/03/2007 20:16

I agree with what others have said, tell her how you feel. If you cant say it to her face then write to her. If she is a good friend she wont mind, and may even feel embarassed.

SugarCoatSandwich · 13/01/2026 14:16

This came up to me as a suggested thread but it's nearly 20 years old 🤣

9 of course I'm now dying to know how it turned out! Did her DD go to Oxbridge at 10? Move to Italy for the food? Become a Podiatrist perhaps?! 😆

Please come back @thishousewontcleanitself !

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