To think ... hate crime and terrorist attack are the same thing

[Foreverhopeful22]

I don't understand the difference this post is not condoning anything I am simply trying to understand the difference

Scenario a - van used to kill people in street (all cultures) this is terror attack. The attackers are doing it as they do not agree with they way we live, our views or our attitude.

Scenario b - van used to kill a single group (culture) of people as the attackers disagree with the way the live, views or attitude.

Are they not one in the same thing?

I don't understand the difference between hate crime or terror crime , it can't be revenge as both scenarios are taking revenge themselves .

Can you explain the difference to me,

Scenario B is targeting someone solely because of their race/faith/sexuality etc. This is a hate crime.

There is no difference!

It's mass murder and should be treated as a terrorist attack. All terrorists attacks are by nature hate crimes.

Agent - but are they not the same thing

Yes, they are the same thing. It's just that the attacker in the one last night does not fit the right wing media image of a terrorist and therefore, they call it a hate crime.

Terrorism used to be associated with a definite connection to a particular terrorist group. The issue now is that attacks are happening by people who are inspired by groups. It's making the definition much harder.

The problem with calling this one a terrorist attack is if it means that it isn't also able to be categorised officially as a hate crime. Hate crimes target a specific populus, rather than indiscriminate groups of people.

I suspect by defining it as a terrorist incident, it allows a particular set of police actions to swing into place.

forever

I think as badkitten says that a terrorist attack is indiscriminate

A hate crime is aimed just at one group of people

So...and i have no real idea of this....they police could protect mosques if its a hate crime, they cant if its terrestrial

Having said that i would say that it should be considered a terrorist attack, otherwise divisions which may already be there will get greater

Terrorist obviously

For goodness sake

In your examples of agree that they're essentially the same. However, not all hate crimes are terrorist attacks whereas all terrorist attacks are hate crimes.

E.g. if someone shouts homophobic abuse, assaults or vandalises property of someone they believe to be gay is a hate crime, not a terror attack.

They are both hate crimes and both terrorist attacks.

Some terrorist orgs, like the IRA, are well organized and are motivated by a clear political objective, not to push a particular race or religion.

Other terrorist orgs want to dominate / expel other religions or races.
They invite hate online, but then leave it to random losers to make DIY attacks

They are just different types of terrorist

BoobleMcB If someone blows up a deserted bridge with appropriate warnings to ensure no people are hurt - terrorism, but not a hate crime.

The problem is the use of language for the same event, and how it is used to condemn others, not definitions of what the crimes are.

Badkitten and rufus - I think I agree with that train of thought

Although seems a very grey line

Its not terrorism if its done by white people. Only brown people can do a terrorism.

I hope this clears the matter for you

It is a grey line.

The Met Police are treating today's incident as a terror attack. The fact that a white person perpetrated the attack makes no difference; a domestic terror attack is defined as "advancing a religious, political or ideological cause". He did this because he wanted to kill Muslims. Therefore it's an act of terrorism.

araiwa So the IRA, Baader Meinhof , and ETA aren't terrorists then?

Terrorist: Someone who works with a group of like-minded people towards a particular goal using violent methods. See above groups.

Hate Crime: violent crimes directed towards a group of people because of their faith, race or other beliefs or life-style choices , See, the nail-bomb at the Admiral Duncan in soho news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/april/30/newsid_2499000/2499249.stm

It's not always possible to distinguish between the two definitions, and the media will often twist these definitions for their own agendas.

@Fred I hadn't thought of that possibility. Fair point.

Although it would be committed to achieve a specific purpose/send a certain message against a specific group so would it not still be a hate crime?