To hate chavvy?

[Mrsknackered]

It's such a horrible word. It gets thrown around on here like it's nothing. It's classist, sneery, offensive, I could go on!

Also if something IS chavvy, let's say a name, what exactly does it being chavvy mean? What makes a chav...a chav?

Google Michael Carroll. Lottery winner and loser who styled himself 'King of the Chavs'. As Scottishdiem says, it's aspirational for some.

nina2b
I think it's become shorthand for lacking in taste, particularly when it comes to dress, make up and riotous behaviour. It's just a word which actually does do its job.

Absolutely.

Mrsknackered
@RortyCrankle @nina2b are you both happy to use other words that are derogatory? I genuinely want to know.

Of course I am.

My pet hate is vulnerable. Everyone's bloody vulnerable.
I once got attacked in a liberal blog for "raising the expectations of vulnerable people" for doing a voter registration drive outside a job centre.

I wonder if noticed the implications of that statement. He coyld have sais: Working class people can't be trusted with the vote and I have nothing to offer them anyway. With a left like that who needs the right.

Brilliant post!!

@RortyCrankle care to share what? Do you not care about who you offend? And how it makes you look?

Is an awful word.
A classist slur.
If you have a moment you should watch this Ted Talk by Ben Drew (plan B)

Since watching I have never used it to describe anything.

"" it's become shorthand for lacking in taste, particularly when it comes to dress, make up ""

No-one lacks in taste, because they've tailored their look to their taste. So they have taste, just not the Duchess of Cambridge's taste, or the defined correct taste.

I remember watching Wife Swap and the (posh) Wife said that the (WC Husband) had no culture, he did,not just one that she was trying to assimilate, she was very big on etiquette.

If anyone watches Eastenders, the new character Karen Taylor typifies chav to me, but i wouldn't use that word, to me, the family are a bunch of scumbags.

Rortycrankle

In regards to makeup/dress do you think that there's only one or two acceptable looks and everyone else deserves to be insulted?

Chav is the word for young man, it's Romany.
It's hardly surprising our society has adopted it as their own and given it a different meaning.
It's existed from at least the 19th century.

Chav is the word for young man, it's Romany.
It's hardly surprising our society has adopted it as their own and given it a different meaning.
It's existed from at least the 19th century.

Thanks Freddystar

Mrsknackered I think you're probably wasting your time asking.

Used to mean 'common'
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@ilovesooty suppose I am. How sad. I will add the username to my mental note of who's threads to avoid

I preferred 'scally' but chav is the modern version. Everyone know what is meant by it. I used it in the hair dressers the other day when describing the look I didn't want and the hairdresser got it

I wonder if the hairdresser would have understood if you had also said I don't want hair like a (insert racist/sexist slur here)

I don't think there is a difference.

Mrsknackered
@RortyCrankle care to share what? Do you not care about who you offend? And how it makes you look?

Obviously not.

Birdsgottaf1y
Rortycrankle
In regards to makeup/dress do you think that there's only one or two acceptable looks and everyone else deserves to be insulted?

No, I don''t give a damn how people do their make up/dress.

ilovesooty
Mrsknackered I think you're probably wasting your time asking.

Well some people have, you know, more interesting lives to lead and aren't on here 24/7.

Mrsknackered
@ilovesooty suppose I am. How sad. I will add the username to my mental note of who's threads to avoid smile

Oh no, now I'm mortally wounded that you will avoid me. Oh wait, no, that's wrong because I don't give a fuck

Mrsknackered I disagree. It's a look, like 'mods' or 'trogs' in the past, or more recently, 'moshers,''goths' and 'scallies.'
It may be derogatory to you but it's a style/look that people choose and nothing like race or sexual preference, which one does not choose.
Many aspire to the 'chavvy' look and wouldn't be offended at all.

My dad is a Traveller. He uses chavvy to mean child. We're in Scotland, if that makes any difference. Hantel means people. Where we live chav doesn't even mean the common English meaning of it anyway, we would call them neds.

Yes it's rude and snobby. However we all know that there is usually a grain of truth to it.
I mean, we're not actually pretending that everyone is the same, are we?

Never see anyone on the baby names threads discribe a name as gothy or a bit moshy. So to say it's just a look is frankly bollocks.

Good point HighAlert

Chav is a good word. It is useful shorthand for describing a distinct subset of society, and everyone knows what it means. Snob & rah are similarly useful.

I'm trying to invent another. It will mean 'patronising, politically correct Guardian-reading middle class do-gooder'. How about 'Ros' or 'Jan' because that's what they all seem to be called....

BonnieF

When I hear "chav" used in RL, it is invariably by people who, if one wanted to use that ugly term, would be considered chavs themselves.

Definition of ^chavvy"
an offensive adjective used by those with bad manners to describe those with bad manners

Invariably, the irony is lost on those who use it.