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Original poster

To wonder why young people are outraged over the dementia tax on the news

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brexitstolemyfuture · 09/06/2017 21:59

Seems a bit strange for me the young people on the news calling the Tory's dementia tax greedy and outrageous. But who do they think will pay for it?

I guess my aibu to think some people think there is a magic money tree. Or you can just tax Google and Starbucks and pay for everything for everyone.

OP posts:

Fauchelevent · 09/06/2017 22:00

Still going with that magic money tree shite? Do give it a rest.

EElisavetaOfBelsornia · 09/06/2017 22:01

Do you think Google and Starbucks should be exempt from paying tax then, OP?

stella23 · 09/06/2017 22:04

Probably because the only way they will ever own a house or have any security is inheritance.

Do you think the queen will leave herself with £200000 and pay for her own care?

Or David Cameron for that matter, or will some account squirrel it away for him?

It's one rule for the the landed gentry and one for all the others

Swirlingasong · 09/06/2017 22:07

Because they care about people other than themselves? Because they have realised they too will be old one day?

AfunaMbatata · 09/06/2017 22:08

Because they give a fuck about others.

TheWitchAndTrevor · 09/06/2017 22:09

Time to chill the fuck out

zeezeek · 09/06/2017 22:11

Because unlike the insulting rhetoric among some Tory voters young people voted for more than free University education.

EpoxyResin · 09/06/2017 22:11

Aren't we done with all this? If you haven't educted yourself enough about economics to understand the differing positions of the Tories and Labour, and that both positions are both supported and decried in equal measure by prominent economists, then i think that ship has sailed.

I'll sum it up for you and leave you to consult Google to fill in the blanks; austerity and decreased spending, in theory, can work to stabilise public borrowing and reduce national debt it the long term. It doesn't always - it can strangle growth and cause recession - and a lot of people think it wouldn't in our case. They tend to view Labour. A period of increased borrowing and investment can, in theory, boost economy and create a boom. It doesn't always - it can lead to hefty debt repayment which is bad if the economy fails to the expected upturn - and a lot of people think it won't in our case. They vote Tory.

Ta da! But seeing as everyone's already voted, this is all rather behind us.

TrinityTaylor · 09/06/2017 22:12

Sick of young people being slagged off

I think a certain type of person in this country is scared that younger people are finding their voice and their political opinion and it's going to change things in this country in a big way in years to come

AnyFucker · 09/06/2017 22:13

Spectre8 · 09/06/2017 22:13

Because they fail to realise that in today's world you have to sell your house before death to pay for your care and you can only keep £23k but somehow selling your house post death and being able to pass on £100k is far worse....go figure

SheRaaarghPrincessOfPower · 09/06/2017 22:13

Because I care about the care my parents receive in their old age.

Because I don't want them to have to take out a bullshit equity release agreement in the event of a serious disabling illness hitting one or both of them

Because the type of disease you are diagnosed with shouldn't dictate the kind of care you get and how much it costs you

Mostly because the elderly are a growing population and there are huge implications to them and their care.

Oh, and because I'm not a cunt.

bojorojo · 09/06/2017 22:16

How can it be a tax when thousands of people already have to sell their homes to pay for their dementia care in a home? It wasn't a tax at all. In fact it was an improvement on the current position if you have savings above £23,000. So many people have had to sell their homes for decades now. Unfortunately the word tax was used and it was wrong. No doubt students haven't sold a house to pay for care!

This has little to do with who pays or avoids corporation tax. Google and Starbucks can't pay for this through tax and every expert report says the recipients of the care should pay something if they can. If they don't, the burdon falls on the young! They will pay through their taxes, when they earn enough of course. If we want Britain to make a success of the future, the idea that there is a huge reservior of unpaid tax to fund everything is just not reasonable for the economic well being of the country. If it was easy to get the tax due, do you not think all measures would have been taken before now? By older people not paying, the young will pay. Again. Or we could just wave goodbye to international employers who would prefer to move elsewhere. Who could blame them.

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brexitstolemyfuture · 09/06/2017 22:17

Spectre8 I agree, it was better than the current system by far.

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Rabbityrabbitcarrot · 09/06/2017 22:20

Most people don't actually have a clue that the dementia tax will actually allow you something at the end.

My 96 year old mil passed away at Xmas

She had £170,000 house and £20,000 in cash

We had to sell her house to pay for her care
She was left with £17,000 when she died. The government had taken everything else to pay

If the dementia tax had been there she could have left my dh £100,000

SheRaaarghPrincessOfPower · 09/06/2017 22:28

The problem is the inequality and the potentisl equity release issues.

My Dad is looking likely to receive a dementia diagnosis soon. We've been worried about it for a long time but it's looking increasingly likely.

My uncle and his wife sadly both have cancer. It's devastating and hopefully they'll both recover, but they're in their late 70s

They'll need very different care. It's going to be devastating. Why does my Dad have to pay for care that will help him stay in his home, and hopefully help him in the long term, while my aunt and uncle won't need to because most of their care will be hospital stays or outpatient.

Viserion · 09/06/2017 22:37

The change here is that people would have to pay for care in their own home. At the moment, social care in your own home does not take into account the value of your property, only savings over £23k. So, you could live in a £2M house but have no cash, and get full funding for carers to come in. Whereas, someone in a £100k house, with £100k cash would have to pay for the same carers. At the moment, the value of your home only gets taken into account if you move into a care home. The change would be to allow local authorities to take property into account for care at home.

harderandharder2breathe · 09/06/2017 22:40

Because they don't just care about themselves

Because they know that the rich bastards like MPs themselves will find ways around it and keep their inheritance while normal people lose their homes

CeciledeVolanges · 09/06/2017 22:52

I'm 25 and I don't just care about myself.

I also found it outrageous that the policy was obviously something they thought was right, it was worked out and costed and at the slightest hint of backlash they turned around and said they hadn't meant that at all AND nothing was changing AND expected the electorate to continue to rely on them

VocalCat · 09/06/2017 22:55

Because they care about their elderly relatives, they care about their inheritance or else they aren't selfish and only care about themselves...

msgrinch · 09/06/2017 22:58

Did someone order a dickhead?

moreslackthanslick · 09/06/2017 22:59

Exactly spectre what are people missing with this to call it a "dementia tax" ffs? It's far higher now!

RufusTheRenegadeReindeer · 09/06/2017 23:03

misgrinch

Did someone order a dickhead?

Sorry i think that may have been me

I got a bit confused looking at the takeaway menu

MistressDeeCee · 09/06/2017 23:21

Arent people embarassed by parrotting "magic money tree" yet?

To wonder why young people are outraged over the dementia tax on the news

Sigh

Clue 1
Theyre not going to be young forever. Their parents are getting older. There may be worries around their grandparents care plans/provisions

Clue 2
They don't live in a bubble and aren't selfish enough to not give a fuck about anyone other than themselves

Although you probably want a thread full of carping on about young people wanting inheritance from their parents

To wonder whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
To not understaaaaaaaaaaaaand

Usual titles of goady pretend-naive posts that are all over MN these days
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Mrsweasley123 · 10/06/2017 09:16

I find this so offensive. I'm a "young person" I'm 23 and I was and still am outraged at the dementia tax.
I have worked in adult social care for 6 years now, primarily with the elderly and I know first hand what an awful affect a policy like this will have on our generation.
Statements like this are such a generalisation assuming that "young" people don't know any better, just believe in a "magic money tree" and only care about themselves.
I read both labour and conservatives policies on adult social care, did some research and decided which one I felt was right, the same as many of my peers. What on earth that has to do with my age I don't know

Ultimately, young people are outraged (the same as many older people) because they give a fuck about other people regardless of age?
I don't understand why that's so hard to understand

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