To think you should have to tell people if your kids aren't vaccinated?

[Saltandpepperpig]

Just found out that one of my cousins is 'anti vaccinations' she's a bit of a hippy and the irony is her DD has now been diagnosed with autism so all this crap they spout about it causing this and that clearly isn't the case there.

Anyway when I had my first child 3 years ago she came to the hospital to see us, had her kids around my newborn maybe 4/5 times in the first week of my child's life! We are close but she knows I'm not like her in many ways hence why she probably hadn't mentioned before.

I don't know what the science is on it but my tiny baby was unprotected at that point and I feel like she should have told me so I could have told her to keep her kids away until the first shots etc.

I'm very newly pregnant and am now panicking as know she will want to be around this baby in the early days too.

AIBU to think if you've decided not to immunise your children then that's a risk you have the right to take with your own kids but should make other people aware?

Also WIBU to tell her she can't bring the kids around this baby in the early days ever ?

Joffrey that sounds like a widespread problem do you have any links to articles about it ?
I'm just asking because otherwise it sounds massively like scaremongering

I have a child who became autistic literally the day he had the MMR

Joffrey - you do realise that there are NO links between MMR and autism, right??

Andrew Wakefield - the idiot who originally claimed there were links - has been openly discredited and struck off after admitting his "evidence" was fabricated.

Even The National Autistic Society recognises that any apparent links were fabricated and bullshit and in a study with over 1.25 MILLION children there was no causal evidence to suggest any link at all.

I'm sorry your child is autistic, but it could be a million reasons why - correlation doesn't prove causation.

Other people's "experiences" are exactly the problem. If someone "experiences" being Napoleon tomorrow does that make it so?

It should also be noted that there are a lot of unanswered questions and it's very common for weirdo anti-vaxxers to come on places like this to spread their lies. They invariably start with "I am a scientist (of some sort) and I was a huge believer in vaccinations until..."

I am very pro vaccine and herd immunity. I also know that the MMR does not cause autism. HOWEVER, joffery has described a personal experience of a child who changed after the MMR vaccine. This may have been utterly coincidental BUT you dint diminish someone's personal experience by calling "bullshit". It's nasty and unnecessary so don't do it.

And yes PIP is a disaster for mental health and autism. I have helped several people appeal now and we've always been successful but it's disgusting that we have had to appeal.

People, this is an anonymous forum, where everything should be taken with a pinch of salt.

Private testimonies might be true, they might not. There are a very good start for researching a subject, but I hope no one will make a decision about their children based on what someone they don't know has written in a post.
I would not dismissing anything, or accusing anyone of anything, just research facts a bit more before making up your mind.

I delayed my third child's immunisations. The reason was that I had a friend in the neighbourhood who's daughter was starting to speak (juice, dada, ball, etc.). She had a reaction to the MMR vaccine, (which is normal- a fever and feeling a bit unwell about 10 days after), but instead of a slight reaction, she was really unlike herself, and lost her speech, behaviour changed noticeably and is now a profoundly autistic adult. Maybe it was coincidence, but it certainly didn't look like it.

It is hard not to be influenced by something like this, if you know the people involved.

We vaccinated our daughter after she was 2.

I don't think it is helpful to say that people who have worries about vaccines are all idiots.

Yabu.

Bring vaccinated does not stop you being a carrier and passing something along.

Vaccinations are not always 100% effective and often wear off, so being vaccinated does not mean a child cannot catch and spread xyz.

Any ill child vaccinated or not would ideally be kept away from a young baby. If they are not ill, vaccinated or not they pose the same 'risk'

Bit concerned people are actually believing Joffrey there.

As someone who has done a similar degree the idea of using your own child as a 'guinea pig' and doing your own 'standardized testing' with your fellow students on that child is about as ridiculous as it gets.

because I was studying for a degree in Early Childhood, specialising in Psycholinguistics, at the time, and we had run all our standardised tests on him as our guinea pig, several months before (he was cognitively utterly 'normal' at that point) - we knew it was a fairly obvious case.

This above is utter crap. Think about it everyone. Scientific method anyone for starters?!

OP I had to keep my newborn away from any busy places to avoid a specific virus which would have had a devastating impact. He was fully breastfed. Please get your own medical advice if you are at risk and don't believe the shit on here. However if your baby is fine, I'm not sure it's worth the argument. You can't reason with some and it serves no purpose to upset yourself.

Yanbu
Because of a moron like some of these posters who brought her 2 older unvaccinated dc to new born baby clinic who had asymptomatic measles they gave the virus to 4 babies including my breastfed 12 week old premi ds who almost died from it!,
1 of the other babies is now completely deaf from the measles
Hurd immunity only works when everyone who can be vaccinated are.
Babies are not protected until they have had the full course of vaccinations.
Btw my ds is both ADHD and autistic which any reputable Dr will tell you is more likely to be caused by spontaneous mutation, just like dwarfism, or an issue with the blood supply for baby in the womb

Thank you for the responses. One thing that always gets me the most is that people would rather there children become ill with awful life threatening diseases and risk passing them on to others than take the tiny non existentchance of their dc getting autism/learning difficulties from the vax. I gusss everyone's entitled to their own opinion on that but when it comes to my DC I would rather keep them protected from the chance.

Why is it crap @Castironfireplace? I know a huge study currently taking place at a very prestigious university and participants 1-5 were/are the researchers' own children.

It's known that children with autism can start to speak and then regress. It happens without vaccination.

My biggest issue is not whether or not she is not being truthful, but in the addition of her own child to autistic/non autistic testing that she was a researcher for. This would never have been allowed, therein making his outcome irrelevant. As most psychological tests require the testers to know which group (or similar) each participant is in, they would never have ethically approved her own child to participate.

I'm the mum of two DS's with autism on the opposite sides of the spectrum. severe DS7 has a rare gene mutation which is the cause of his autism but DS9 only started showing symptoms aged 6 or 7, when you see the social problems etc..... DH DF is clearly autistic but undiagnosed as is DH's DS1. It is clearly a genetic problem and the problem may be that it denovo in your child, so they are first in line for the genetic problem.

I'd take kids with autism anytime over a dead child!

I'm sorry but there is no evidence regarding immunisations causing autism. I think it's just a way for parents to vent and point blame.
My kids have ASD but they are both perfect and wonderful!

JoffreyBaratheon

Gosh so that must of been over 17 years ago? I thought the autism and MMR was a relatively new thing.

What's that smell? Is that? Um? Is that bullshit?

I wasjustabouttosaythat. I smell the waft of bullshit too...

What an awful thing to say. What IF this poster is genuine. How immensely hurtful for her!!

Comments like yours are exactly why troll hunting is so wrong!!

I have a child who became autistic literally the day he had the MMR

Joffrey - you do realise that there are NO links between MMR and autism, right??

Very narrow minded PP! I am not an anti vaxxer. If my NHS Immunologist would let me, I would give my DC MMR. (Though actually DC already has Autism, but even if he didn't I still would).

My DC's Autism may or may not be linked to a white matter lesion in the brain which happened as a result of encephalitis caused by an infection. There is significant evidence of links between white matter abnormalities and ASD. So I would be happy to consider that anything which could cause damage to the brain such as an infection could possibly cause ASD.

I DO NOT however believe that bogus now discredited research which pointed to a widespread link between MMR & ASD in a large number of children.

She had a reaction to the MMR vaccine, (which is normal- a fever and feeling a bit unwell about 10 days after), but instead of a slight reaction, she was really unlike herself, and lost her speech, behaviour changed noticeably

Do you think ^ that scenario is impossible PP?

I will dig out some links to proper peer reviewed (I think also NHS endorsed?) research on increased incidence of ASD in children who had infections as Neonates.

How old was your son Jeffrey?

As someone who has done a similar degree the idea of using your own child as a 'guinea pig' and doing your own 'standardized testing' with your fellow students on that child is about as ridiculous as it gets

University ethics standards would not allow this. There is so much paperwork involved in using human study subject I can't see they'd agree to using researcher's own children as guinea pigs.

User- the whole MMR thing with Dr Wakefield was 1997/1998 so no- a child age 17 certainly isn't too old.

My second child will as completely unvaccinated until the age of 13 and I didn't tell anyone. It wasn't their business.

It wasn't "autism testing," it was Psycholinguistics

Teabagtits - well it is happening right now in a leading British university!

I have no opinion on the vaccine-autism debate but it's really sad to see how quickly posters are keen to jump on someone else relaying their own truths.

It's sad to see how readily some people believe these statements are "truths".

Which university #Bluedabbadee?