To ask the posters on the Diane Abbott threads to read this

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I don't like her politics. I think she has said and done some stupid things. If I lived in hackney, I would never vote for her.

But I saw this on Facebook and in the interest of fairness, wanted to share it. Because it makes some very good points. I still don't like her. I still think she's out of her depth and incompetent. But I hold my hands up and say, this at least made me rethink and appreciate that she has done some good things too.

www.cookingonabootstrap.com/2017/06/07/we-need-to-talk-about-diane-abbott-now-explicit-content/amp/

I feel genuinely fucking sorry for the poor woman, she has definitely got notably worse over the past few years. I honestly thought she was on medication on the LBC interview when asked about policing numbers. I think I said in a post yesterday on mn that she shows signs of somebody who has been on long term medication and/or sleep deprivation. She needs a rest.

As for the people who insult her for being black, plus sized and female.... at the risk of sounding authoritarian I think there should definitely be some sort of mentality cut-off for voting in this country. Joking of course

VladmirsPoutine will ensure I make myself clear next time.

Guitargirl thank you for getting me first time

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/2949238-Diane-Abbot-by-Jack-Monroe?pg=1

Afro Tbh I think I need to give all the Abbott threads a miss. I've posted on about a gazillion threads today about the prolific disproportionate abuse she faces just for being black, female and plus sized. It doesn't change. These views are insidious.

Anyone in the public eye puts themself up for both adoration and vilification, it's part of it.
Are you serious? You think it's part of the course for someone to call her a whore? Or to suck on his white cock? Did you read the comments?

It's one thing to criticise someone for their political opinion and quality of work but it's not ok to be racist and sexist.

SquidgeyMidgey "Anyone in the public eye puts themself up for both adoration and vilification, it's part of it."

No, it is not. In all our hospitals and train stations and on our buses there are sighs up saying "Our staff have a right to work in safety." Or words to that affect.

That follows for all people doing a legitimate job. Don't you think?

And safety includes on line safety. Freedom from abuse, misogyny and racism, etc. Don't you think?

The kind of people who would post these vile remarks about Diane Abbott will never change their views even if her performance in this election campaign has been sterling so I think any appeal to them is futile. The people who are willing to judge Diane Abbot on her merits can still admire her for her achievements and her strength in overcoming institutional obstacles her her life while raising perfectly valid doubts about her fitness to carry out her present role.
Frankly I do find it hypocritical of her to put her son in private school while her Party seeks to scrap Grammar schools. I completely support her reasons but be honest about them.

Thanks for posting this, OP - very thought-provoking.

@fatdogs her reasoning is one that justifies a means to an end her political view should not reflect her parental view especially when having a black boy to raise in Hackney.

Absolutely. I totally support her reasons @afrobrown but it is hypocritical to then support the taking away of the next best option for parents of other black boys who may not be able to afford private school fees.

And it's doubly hypocritical when she has attended a Grammar school herself and it has helped her in terms of her ambitions.

This has nothing to do with her race or her being a woman. I can quote easily see a male white politician being equally hypocritical eg: Cameron using NHS for his disabled son and supporting benefits cuts and cuts to the NHS for other disabled people who are so much less privileged.

I'm not a great fan of her politics, but there has been a sharp recent decline in her level of body language, understanding and being articulate. She's always been a sharp person and this recent change is a cause for concern, not abuse. I hope she can recover soon because she's a human being and worthy of respect even if I don't politically agree with her often.

@fatdogs fair points we all know politicians are the pinnacle of do as we say not as we do.

Yes her speech and mannerisms has declined so obviously especially when you look at footage of her oratory skills years ago. So sharp and confident. The difference is stark. But for those who don't know her past, her recent public appearances look horrifically sloppy.

Thanks for the warning PlayOnWurtz

Well clearly there's something wrong with someone who was so skilled on Daily Politics and totally familiar with the media behind and in front of the camera - and who has clearly not been on top of her brief in the last month. She's now been sidelined for the time being. Perhaps the huge brief was beyond her at the moment.

Great article

Now I know you're all getting paid to post it

You can't cook on a bloody bootstrap. You cook on a SHOESTRING! Jack should know what a bootstrap is, with those fire brigade connections.

Ha, I definitely didn't get paid to post it. Can't bear Abbott's policies and I still think she's a hypocrite.

But I was unaware of some of the good things she has done, and as I have been outspoken about her on some of the other threads, in the interest of fairness, wanted to share!

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Very interesting read. The negative coverage of Diane Abbott has been so pervasive I was genuinely surprised to read that she has achieved so much

I think some people are, deliberately or not I don't know, conflating two different things.

1. Racist and misogynistic abuse of DA on Twitter and elsewhere - to be thoroughly condemned

2. Legitimate concern that DA is not a fit person (for whatever reason, I don't really think I need to know why) to be shadow home secretary and potentially home secretary.

The second is a perfectly reasonable, in fact essential discussion to be had. If the Labour party had been competent, they would have resolved this situation before it came to this. As it is , a couple of days ago we were faced with the prospect that DA might be in charge of the Home Office by the end of the week.

I'm getting the uncomfortable feeling that some people are trying to suggest that people doing 2) are somehow linked to and not that different to people doing 1).

They are not. They are raising legitimate concerns about the future governance and security of our country.

I'd rather have an incompetent Diane Abbott than a competent Tory, to be honest. The competent ones actually have the ability to roll out their evil plans.

I'm not a great fan of her politics, but there has been a sharp recent decline in her level of body language, understanding and being articulate. She's always been a sharp person and this recent change is a cause for concern, not abuse. I hope she can recover soon because she's a human being and worthy of respect even if I don't politically agree with her often.

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