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To think this is discrimination? Can I do anything about it?

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BungleOffOfRainbow · 05/06/2017 19:44

I've namechanged, obviously. This is long, skim read it, you'll get the picture! In brief, my employer has discriminated against me on the basis of sex and pregnancy. Obviously I'm going to find a new job as I've had enough after the most recent incident, but is there anything I can actually do about this? Equality is assured in law and they're blatantly not abiding by it, what's the consequence and how do I make it happen?

If you can be bothered with the details, here are the main incidents:

  1. About 6 years ago, during a restructure, I expressed interest in a job I had a relevant degree for, and 3 years experience of doing that exact job. The response was "Don't you have to be a big bloke, errr, person to do that job? (Not a physical job, no reason it's a "bloke's" job at all). The boss also made comments about me being a mum and having "feelings"!
  1. I didn't get the job, it was given to a man with no relevant experience or qualifications. They could not explain why.
  1. I mentored and helped the man doing the job for a year. I was then offered the job senior to this man, but when I accepted, they would not give me equal pay to the man I replaced, no good reason was given, although mention was made that I hadn't done myself any favours by being pregnant. I was equally qualified and experienced as he was and did a better job (undisputed). It's local government so the job should have been a certain grade. Eventually I took out a grievance, appealed and won equal pay (backdated).
  1. 18 months ago, they put out a job advert aimed at permanently hiring an agency guy already working in the office. They included in the job advert a large part of my job without telling me (ie being the lead for X subject and all relevant duties - which is my job), but they told me I'd still be expected to do all my current work if this man got the job, which of course he did (nobody else applied, we all knew it was his job). This doesn't make sense, whose job is my job now, mine or his? Why are they advertising my job if they still want me to do it? The job was paid higher than mine.
  1. I'm now on maternity leave. While I've been off, a different man in the office has been given a promotion. The union rep asked why the job was not advertised at least internally. My manager told her (in writing) that this man was the only option for the job because I was off on maternity leave! I knew nothing about it until after he'd been given the job.
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Creampastry · 05/06/2017 19:46

I would speak to ACAS - it all sounds very frustrating and dodgy as hell!

EggysMom · 05/06/2017 19:56

Are you in a union? Talk to a union rep, I'm sure they'd be interested.

loveyouradvice · 05/06/2017 19:59

Truly shocked this is Local Government - which is meant to be codified to the nth degree, rather than some dodgy entrepreneurial outfit....

Good luck in taking forward... There must be people you can consult even if you aren't in a union.... what do HR say?

PaperdollCartoon · 05/06/2017 20:05

This is disgusting. I'm not sure what the course of action should be, but you absolutely should pursue a complaint.

BungleOffOfRainbow · 05/06/2017 20:15

I'm in the union. The first incident I logged with the union, as I was gobsmacked it could happen in this day and age, but didn't take any action, I just thought I needed to prove myself and work harder than my male colleagues to show my worth. By number 3 I got the union involved and they supported me through the grievance procedure.

Most recently, they have asked my manager about why they didn't give me a chance at the job, but haven't actually done anything about it. I'm not sure there is anything they can do now because the job has already been given to someone else, so it's too late.

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BungleOffOfRainbow · 05/06/2017 20:17

Before I lodged the grievance, I contacted HR for advice about job grading and the whole situation. They said their job was just to advise the managers!

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DonaldStott · 05/06/2017 20:21

This is why everyone should join a union. You would have to get advice from ACAS at this point in time.

It is highly unusual to get union representation when you join with an issue that pre-dates your membership.

This is because people join, pay a couple of months subs (£20 odd quid), use the officers time, get help from union solicitors, which would cost £££s on the high street, then the cancel their membership when they have got what they wanted.

You wouldn't insure your car after a crash and expect the insurance to pay out.

I would urge everyone to join a trade union.

DonaldStott · 05/06/2017 20:23

X post. Sorry OP. I'm surprised it hasn't been passed on to the unions solicitors

Wetcappuccino · 05/06/2017 20:25

Nope. Should have had the chance to apply for that most recent vacancy while on Mat Leave. Absolutely discrimination on the basis of a protected characteristic (sex).

peaCOCKness · 05/06/2017 20:26

Get in touch with Pregnant the Screwed they will be able to give you legal advice and support

peaCOCKness · 05/06/2017 20:26

*then not the

BungleOffOfRainbow · 05/06/2017 20:53

Thank you. I'll have a look at ACAS and Pregnant then Screwed. It looks like I'd have to go through another grievance and then a tribunal. I'll have to think about whether it's worth the stress and time.

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ChasedByBees · 05/06/2017 21:09

It sounds like they've put a good deal of this in writing so collect as much evidence as possible now. I would take this forward, it sounds like they will have to remedy it with you but also help them learn for the future.

fabulous01 · 05/06/2017 21:16

That is life ( and I don't agree with it)
There is legislation but you have to be the one to take the case and pay the fees

And organisations don't really want to learn. Things like this are cultural changes and should be driven from top down. It rarely happens

torenova84 · 05/06/2017 22:19

contact this group - maternity action. they have helped me allot with good advice during my pregnancy and wouldn't hesitate to contact them again if i had any other problems www.maternityaction.org.uk/

Ringsender2 · 01/08/2019 13:22

Hi @BungleOffOfRainbow I looked at this thread when I was searching for the recent posts about pregnancy discrimination. I wondered how you got on. I hope that your employers were shown up for their illegal and shitty behaviour, and that you are now doing bigger, better and better-paid things.

Butchyrestingface · 01/08/2019 13:30

It's local government so the job should have been a certain grade

Terrible. Sad

Because of the accumulation, is constructive dismissal an option?

Butchyrestingface · 01/08/2019 13:31

Aaaargh. Zombie!!!! 🧟‍♀️

Ringsender2 · 01/08/2019 14:39

Sorry Butchy! I was searching for another (active) thread using pregnant then screwed search words. This thread came up and I was curious as to how it ended up

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