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AIBU?

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Bossy or assertive?

39 replies

Crabpears · 02/06/2017 13:02

AIBU to not fully understand what sort of behaviour is assertive and what is bossy?

By bossy I mean constantly commenting in a negative or overly critical way about how other people do things making it seem nothing is ever good enough. People who have an angry vibe if you don't things exactly the way they expect (e.g. mixing squash too weak, too sweet).
Or ordering others about rather than asking politely. People for whom nothing you or others do is ever really good enough.

To me bossiness is an unpleasant and ever so slightly threatening 'tone'.

Alternatively, do you know assertive people who don't come across as bossy? Are you one of these people? How do you do it?

I currently volunteer at a charity and the line manager in the store is so incredibly demanding making me feel like nothing I do is ever enough. I personally think I am doing alright and am getting increasingly fed up as I am giving my time freely and happily and getting negative vibes in return.

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Crabpears · 02/06/2017 14:44

Does anyone have any positive examples of how they death with "people who break down the boundaries of others"?

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Zippydoodah · 02/06/2017 14:46

Tell them to eff off? Grin

I don't know. Give them the death stare. Make a sarcastic comment.

Moves aside for someone more sensible...

Trifleorbust · 02/06/2017 14:46

I don't think there is a single definition that can convey the differences between standing your own ground and walking all over someone else's. As a manager, for example, I can be assertive without being bossy, or I can be assertive and be called bossy, or I can be bossy, but those differences are all highly subjective.

I think of it as whether someone is stepping outside of their remit or their business, like if someone likes to seize control of a group project or if someone tells me how to raise my child: bossy. A neighbour asking me firmly but politely not to block them in: assertive.

upperlimit · 02/06/2017 14:54

I think being comfortable in the knowledge that not everyone will like you is very freeing generally but it is essential when dealing with a bossy person who is happy to railroad your boundaries to get their best outcome.

Also, I think labelling the poor behaviour of the bossy person can be helpful. So wrt your boss I would say, "I really don't want to talk badly about [colleague] behind her back so I think we should change the subject". And repeat again and again.

Vonklump · 02/06/2017 14:55

You can't change your boss, you can only change your reaction to her.

In the hot drink example, you could give her the cup without milk, and leave the bottle next to it saying, "I've left the milk for you to add, I know you like it's specific way."

This neither belittles you, (you're not saying you make it wrong) or is rude to her (you're not telling her she's a fussy cow), but politely draws a line.

If she comes out with a comment, "I'm easy about my coffee,", or "You just don't make it right," ( which it sounds like you will worry about), smile and ignore her.
Just because you don't reply it doesn't mean you agree with her.

Vonklump · 02/06/2017 14:58

She's on a power trip though. The confident people I know never act like this.

Witchend · 02/06/2017 15:24

I've noticed a tendency for when people are talking about themselves/their dc, it's assertive. When it's others, it's bossy.

BlackadderBells · 02/06/2017 15:33

When you are assertive, you are ok and the person you're interacting with is also ok (I.e none of you are detrimented - you are both whole)

When you are bossy/aggressive - you are ok but the person you are interacting with is not ok (they have been detrimented)

ginandbearit · 02/06/2017 15:46

Understand that however you make the coffee it won't be right...the whole point is for her to feel good about herself at your expense...she will take a small 'victory' like that and re-play it to herself to give herself a little bit of joy when she gets home

I think 'bossy' is a mannerism , sargeant-major-ish, I know best, don't question me, whereas 'assertive' is more adult, command centered but not about the person giving the directions, or marking boundaries; not always easy to get right, but we generally know the difference when we experience it

purpleviolet1 · 02/06/2017 16:57

Thanks for posting OP I've learnt a lot and need to work on my assertiveness to deal with challenging people too!

Crabpears · 02/06/2017 17:05

"I really don't want to talk badly about [colleague] behind her back so I think we should change the subject"

upper I have tried to do this in the past with another bossy line manager at my old job who talked viscously about others e.g. "she is so thin no man would touch her" type of talk. I have found that people like me who who are reluctant to gossip in this badmouthing way end up as outsiders. That also is frustrating. I don't mind a little gossip with people I know very well and am happy to share my frustrations about others to a close friend but I would never say "so and so is sooo bad at her job / fat / thin... / her child is....." etc. to a good friend let alone somebody I only know professionally.

Lots of great posts I have already learnt something new, hopefully I can apply it. AT the very least I feel reassured, which is nice as I have been really stewing over this Smile Thanks.

In essence I think I don't dare to draw my boundaries for fear of being not being liked and for fear of making the other person angry. Why am I afraid of this? I don't know. My parents are not like this at all. I know however that I can feel angry but would never ever let this on. Grr, I really am not helping myself am i?

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Zippydoodah · 02/06/2017 21:21

You don't need her to like you ss you don't like her - with Good reason

redexpat · 02/06/2017 21:33

Read nice girls dont get the corner office. And volunteer at another shop!

Crabpears · 03/06/2017 08:19

I'll have a look at 'Nice Girls Don't'.

Will try to remember all the smart advice on this thread and report back later. I have been asked to close up the store with her and one other volunteer today, let's see how it goes. Smile

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