I suggest anyone interested listen to the whole of what Nuttall said from about 12.39 and then Lucas's reply.
PlinkyTheFairyWitch
Wrong I don't think that's right. I've just been and rewatched the bit you're talking about here if anyone's interested, around 14:50. I can't make out what he's saying over the applause, can you?
He says, and this isn't word for word, anyone can watch who is interested, that we need to name the problem and the problem is Islamist extremism. And he wasn't drowned out by applause but by groaning and interruptions.
Caroline didn't lie - she said 'the kind of response...that seems to suggest'. That's not the same as 'Paul said'.
Word play. She said he said something he didn't say or suggest . If “naming Islamist extremist" is now the same as "saying the Manchester bombing represents Islam" then as I say, we are well into 1984 territory.
In the wider context of how to make the country safer, where Nuttall leaped straight to Islam, outlining his plans for cracking down on mosques and whatnot, and ignored the neo-Nazi type terrorists, I don't think that's unfair. She's objecting to him tarring all adherents of a religion with one brush. As Tim pointed out, that sick bastard was reported 5 times by 'his own' community
He didn't talk about cracking down on mosques. He talked about looking into Saudi funding of Wahhabism in mosques. Many people, including Muslims, are concerned about the spreading of Wahhabism and extremist Islamist ideology though Saudi funding of mosques. This needs to be addressed.
What did he say about Islam? Nothing from what I heard. He talked about many Muslim organisations not engaging with Prevent. This is a fact, many Muslim bodies and many non-Muslim other organisations (eg the university the bomber attended campaign against Prevent and Andy Burnham, the Mayor of Manchester) do not engage with or campaign against Prevent. The Prevent strategy is our only counter-extremism strategy so the fact that many organisations are not engaging with it needs to be addressed.
Can you explain where he "tarred all adherents of one religion with one brush" or denied that Muslims reported the bomber? I didn't hear him say either of these things or anything which could be construed as saying them.
On the neo-Nazis, since 2005 there have been over 70 deaths in the UK at the hands of Islamist extremists and two at the hand of far-right extremists as far as I can work out. So it is not unreasonable to think that Islamist extremist terrorism is a bigger problem at present.
I think we are getting into very dangerous territory when people are attacked for trying to discuss the facts and reality of a situation. If Lucas disagreed that we are facing an Islamist extremist terrorism threat, disagreed that we need to look into Saudi funding of morques and spreading of Wahhabist extremist ideology, disagreed that Muslim organisations need to engage better with Prevent , she could have argued her case. Instead she just attacked Nuttall for something he had not said. Very poor.