To think that 30,000 UK deaths should be bigger news

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Recent research by Oxford University www.ox.ac.uk/news/2017-02-20-30000-excess-deaths-2015-linked-cuts-health-and-social-care

'The impact of cuts resulting from the imposition of austerity on the NHS has been profound. Expenditure has failed to keep pace with demand and the situation has been exacerbated by dramatic reductions in the welfare budget of £16.7 billion and in social care spending. With an aging population, the NHS is ever more dependent on a well-functioning social care system. The possibility that the cuts to health and social care are implicated in almost 30,000 excess deaths is one that needs further exploration. Given the relentless nature of the cuts, and potential link to rising mortality, we ask why is the search for a cause not being pursued with more urgency?'

There is a prediction that the 2016 data shows a similar spike

France, Germany and most of E|U healthcare is not free at the point of delivery; theirs are based on employment insurance, so a person pays upfront for an appointment with a doctor or nurse (15 euros in France, last visit), and buys the drugs prescribed from a pharmacy, then reclaims the cost (or a %) via insurance. The waste and inefficiency within the NHS is on a par with the size of the organisation. The answer is not simply to throw money at health, and its problems.

Forgive me if most of my non UK experience is based on the US and France. I've spent more time in those countries, and therefore know how things work there better than in Germany or Spain or Slovenia. In France, if you have had a surgical procedure resulting in a wound that needs dressing, but you are ambulant and otherwise well, you visit the standalone nurse's office most convenient to your location to have the dressing changed, and you pay the nurse (who is self employed) for changing it. If the charge is significant, you may reclaim the cost from your insurer, but usually it's fairly small, so unless you are being funded or very poor, you don't bother. Nurses don't work out of GP practices, so charge separately.

Thats wrong for France.
You go to the GP and used your carte Italie that means you arent paying for the consultation. The GP receives the money directly from the state. No [rivate insurrance there.
You then go to the chemist where some of the cost is taken on by the givernemnet, some by a 'mutuelle', yes some sort of insurrance but closer to to a co-operative in their way of functioning.
Said mutuelle is paid in part by the company you are working for and in part by the person. You are talking about 30~40 euro per month no more. Im pretty sure that nowdays, by presenting your carte vitale, all the costs are taken over directly so no need to advance the money.

Please note that in the uk, all medecines have to be paid for. In france, only the ones deemed 'not indispensable' would. So your antibiotics would be paid for by the basis state cover but your cough syrup wouldnt.

In effect, when yu are saying 'insurrance' most people would think about a private insurrance british or american style wiuth very very high cost and no state involvement. Its nothing like this.

Nurses will be covered bny the system too and even though not working from a GP office will be very easy to get (they will normally come to you though rather you to them). They will be reimbursed just like a GP.
Im not sure why you think that people doing claim for that . I can promise you that they do.

Theres a brilliant video on youtube with a scottish woman talking about this.

Er, before you start comparing to Nazis, etc. please note that even the report's co-author himself says :The possibility that the cuts to health and social care are implicated in almost 30,000 excess deaths is one that needs further exploration.'
(my italics)
So even the not entirely unbiased authors are saying it's just a possibility.
Yes, let's explore what the reasons might be.

Apparently, malnutrition has risen sharply in some areas last year. :(

I honestly think that we're in the midst of a social engineering project. Certain groups within the population are not going to be able to continue to exist and this is delibrate.

We're a bunch of lab rats.

Living with social care cuts

at that video.

Help I know. The cabbies bought her a wheelchair ffs. Why wasn't one PROVIDED by the state? That poor woman. But she's so brave sharing herself in that vulnerable state. I want to tell her how I appreciate her sharing herself like this in an effort to highlight things.

There are more like her not so able to share or to speak about their issues. Old people and people with learning challenges or communication difficulties. :(

Something has to be done!

Help what makes you think that? There have been many times in history when poor people have been forgotten about.

Why social experiment?

I honestly think that we're in the midst of a social engineering project. Certain groups within the population are not going to be able to continue to exist and this is delibrate.

It appears so.

It is more to do with ideology (yes it matters a lot). The poor are "sinners" whose wicked ways lead them to make bad choices. The wealthy are better people..

God blesses the good with material wealth.

That video

Sadly biscuit there are some very publicly aired cases which demonstrate direct cause and effect of the cuts to people's health. The effect in those cases has not been good and in many cases death has occurred for a variety of reasons. Now we can say some people will have died in any case, I have no problem with that.....sometimes people die unexpectedly.
What I do have a problem with is the cases where a person's health is precariously balanced and the impact of these cuts has pushed them over the edge mentally or physically due to the very severe stress. There is a case where a woman has recently died after a year in a coma. During that time she continued to receive letters and appointments for assessments.
The assessments she received sent her over the edge mentally as she panicked that her benefits would be stopped...these were her only income as she had severe bi-polar disorder. She was ordered to attend work related activity sessions despite the fact that her mental health was fragile and she was never going to be able to work. She was sectioned because the stress caused her mental health to go into decline. She had a massive heart attack while in hospital and remained in a coma for a year after until her death.

Now she may have had the heart attack no matter what...we will never know. But she should never ever have been forced into a situation where her health was compromised far more than it already was. The Government and its message that "nearly everyone can work or do work related activity" is flawed and in some cases it causes a relapse in a health condition. The fact that the Government know this and yet continue with their flawed ideology while giving tax breaks to their pals is disgusting.

I will never vote for them while this appalling policy continues.

If Theresa May is intent on getting us out of the E.U., why did the Tory manifesto make no mention of the billions of pounds that we will have at our disposal once we leave? Imagine all that money and yet they are imposing greater austerity!

Yes, OP, this does deserve more attention. It is totally unacceptable!

Because Brexit is going to cost A LOT of money.
Because the economy is going to decline (and they know it).

Abd because it's not as easy as 'just going out'. There will be bills to pay, they might still have to pay something to access the single market (if we ever get there).

If you have noticed, there hasn't been ANY costing of Brexit. Plenty of talks about making it a success etc..
But no costing at all.
There is a reason for that.... (and that's apart frohe fact they don't really know where we are heading)

More importantly re the NHS, there is the fact that, regardless of Brexit, they wish to get rid of the NHS to replace it with a nice private system. Good for investors, not an issue for people who have enough money.

And more importantly it goes right into the idea that whatever happens to you is somehow your fault. You get ill, it's because you haven't eaten your 5 a day/do enough exercise etc... You struggle to pay for your care so have to do wo, it's because yo haven't been careful enough to pay for said private insurrance, income protection, life insurrance whatever it could be etc.

I don't think there is a social experiment going in there. There is a total lack of care for others nd a selfishness that goes well beying what should be acceptable IMO.
one of the big issues there isn't just all the unnecessary deaths. It's the fact that people won't be able to get treated when they need it. That means longer periods to recover or never fully recovering.
That has a cost for the economy because people won't be able to work so wontbhave money to spend. And the UK economy is based on consumer spending. When consumners stop spending, it collapses.

My poor grandad died as a direct result of under staffing. We launched an enquiry and it was all laid out in black and white.

Horrible

Its a scientific report with evidence and other factors considered, all the naysayers.

It's independent of the Labour party.

This needs to be - and remain - front and centre.

Living with cuts to the welfare budget