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To think the Tories don't want to win.

75 replies

Graceflorrick · 29/05/2017 22:21

AIBU to think the Tories want to lose the election. Could it be that they know Brexit will go so badly that they would rather lose the election than be associated with the negotiations and implementation?

So now they're blatantly targeting schools, pensioners, social care etc to do everything possible to stop people voting for them!

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PigletWasPoohsFriend · 30/05/2017 05:38

It's pure arrogance. Our local MP declined 2 hustings though I did see him at one. He has a huge majority and has been MP for 20+ years. He actually said "I'm assuming I will be re-elected..." He has no need to make any effort whatsoever, smug bugger.

Our Labour MP is the same. Hasn't attended a hustings for 2 elections. They are likely to lose their seat this time.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 30/05/2017 05:41

It's utterly bizarre. She's not alienating people, she's specifically alienating traditional Tory voters with her latest announcements on pensions and social care.

To be fair that isn't really true. The Tories are polling roughly the same. It is Labour that are gaining a bit.

Even the man that brought up social care last night said afterwards he is still voting Tory.

Muddlingalongalone · 30/05/2017 06:29

I read on here/fb that she had to call the election because of the election expenses investigation because constitutionally if 30 mps were suspended the opposition would be asked to form a government.
I think it's arrogance that they can win by a country mile and bulldoze their hideousness through over the next 5 years.
I hope they get a huge wake up call but I can't say it feels like 1997 again somehow.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 30/05/2017 06:40

I read on here/fb that she had to call the election because of the election expenses investigation because constitutionally if 30 mps were suspended the opposition would be asked to form a government.

Not strictly true. It would have gone to by elections first and then what happened next would depend upon that.

Igneococcus · 30/05/2017 07:08

I think she thought she had a large enough lead to start addressing the issue of care in old age and how to deal with an aging population, she might have miscalculated. Some party/government will have to tackle it one day, the problem will not get smaller or less urgent.

Atasteofcreme · 30/05/2017 07:16

Copied and pasted from my other thread:

Respect and love to Jill Fennell, who has written the following letter to the Guardian, Independent and Mirror plus BBC Radio and TV about the Kafkaesque nightmare that is Universal Credit. Please share. I know it would mean so much to her and Mark to think that the horror they've gone through is causing a tidal wave of revulsion and calls for a more humane system.
Edited to clarify: Mark and Jill are close friends of mine. This is their story, which they have asked to be shared as widely as possible.

"My much-loved partner Mark of 23 years is dying from mouth cancer. No cancer is good but this form is particularly cruel, restricting ability to eat and speak. He lives in a Universal Credit area and words totally fail me as to how barbaric and inhumane the system is. This is the reality for many of our most vulnerable people in society and Mark wanted to tell his story, to reveal the shocking truth that lies behind Theresa May’s “Strong and Stable” Social Care plans. Sadly his story is far from unique.

Mark’s story began when was diagnosed with terminal Cancer by a Macmillan Nurse at Guy’s Hospital. She told him to apply for fast track Employment Support Allowance (ESA) as he was not expected to live beyond 6 months. Due to the postcode lottery it turned out that he should have applied for Universal Credit (UC).

This took weeks to reveal itself and Mark had to live on very little money as he was self-employed but unable to work. Having struggled to complete 60 pages of the ESA form his efforts were wasted. Moreover ESA can be backdated to the date of diagnosis, but UC cannot. By the time Mark was able to start over with his UC claim his health had severely deteriorated and his concentration levels had become poor due to high levels of morphine medication. He sat next to me at my computer whilst I completed the form. In his condition, he was a bit befuddled with the incredible levels of detail required, but without completing all the mandatory boxes you can’t progress through the form. In short, the process is completely unsuitable for the physical and mental states of the people who have to use the system. In addition, you only have limited time to complete the form online before it shuts down and this requires you to start over.

The system then requires that the claimant is “verified” by Experian. According to Experian, Mark doesn’t exist, although he is very much still with me as I write this story. Several “helpline advisers” did not help, simply parroting the statement that they did not deal with online applications, although this was the number given on the UC website. Mark was asked to take his identity documents to a Job Centre, quite a trial for a man who had not been out or, indeed, off his bed for over a fortnight, stick thin and sleeping most of the time. I was told that, without verification, his claim would not go through. After verification of his terminal illness had finally taken place, I thought all was well and he had fast tracked his claim. How wrong I was. The following day, Mark was told that his claim could only be processed once he had completed a to-do task and that once again he needed to verify his ID online. His first payment, if his claim is accepted, will be on the 24th June, months after he needed the money to live his final months in some level of comfort and dignity.
“It is shameful – the hallmark of an advanced democracy is in how it treats its vulnerable people and I have been let down by the system”

But, Mark’s story does not stop there. Mark subsequently found out that he has to have a “Fitness to Work” telephone interview. I called the Universal Credit Work Coach to ask if she was aware that he is terminally ill and has difficulty speaking as he has mouth cancer. She said she did but said it still had to be done. I cannot think of any words that express my contempt for her callous and emotionally bankrupt approach to Mark’s predicament. I have spoken with others about Mark’s experience and it seems that this is quite the norm in our “civilised society”.

Theresa May’s Government are presently rolling out Universal Credit across the UK. God help those that are desperately ill with no one to look after and support them through this Kafkaesque nightmare of a system which makes it virtually impossible for vulnerable people to live their final days without misery. If Mark was on his own, he would be dying in utter desperation and starving to death in his flat as food banks don’t do home delivery.
“Universal Credit is universally inhumane. An animal receives better treatment than humans under Theresa May’s Strong and Stable Care System”

I will be writing to all the forthcoming General Election candidates for my constituency including the former Conservative incumbent, Rehman Chishti, about this shameful situation in the hope that others may receive better treatment than Mark."

This is life under the tories.

IfYouGoDownToTheWoodsToday · 30/05/2017 07:37

ATaste thank you for posting.

It makes me ashamed to be British to read it. We're one of the riches countries in the world and we treat dying people like that.

mummytime · 30/05/2017 07:52

The key thing is to get out and vote (for people like Mark). And ask your candidates tough questions.
If you are not sure of the best way to vote then this is a good place to start https://www.tactical2017.com

And pass on Mark's story and others like it to friends, relatives and neighbours. We can change things but there isn't much time left.

Atasteofcreme · 30/05/2017 08:22

Turnout in this election is so important, especially among young people.

Ask your teens to share stuff like that on their social media, make sure they vote if they're of age, get them to hassle their mates!

LuluLovesFruitcakes · 30/05/2017 08:39

I've shared that elsewhere ATaste.

Thank you

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 30/05/2017 08:43

Ask your teens to share stuff like that on their social media, make sure they vote if they're of age, get them to hassle their mates!

To late if they aren't registered though and that is the problem.

Brokenbiscuit · 30/05/2017 08:53

It does look like the Tories are trying to lose. Don't blame them, tbh, whoever wins is going to get the blame for the almighty mess that Brexit will produce.

I'll bet that Jeremy Corbyn is bricking it now. Don't think it ever occurred to him that he could win.

It might be the Tories' best strategy yet. If Corbyn wins, they'll be able to blame the crashing economy on his mismanagement while absolving themselves of any guilt about holding the EU referendum in the first place. The Labour Party will be villified and the Tories will be back in power for another decade at least.

And nobody will once remember that the whole sorry saga all started with David Cameron trying to enforce discipline within his party. Bastard.

noblegiraffe · 30/05/2017 09:09

It says something for public perceptions of Tory competence that when their incompetence is exposed people think it must be them doing it on purpose to lose an election.

They're not. They genuinely are this smug, arrogant, blind to the wants and needs of normal people and incapable of running things properly. As a teacher, I can see they are running this election campaign in exactly the same way as they run education - embarrassingly badly.

This isn't feigned incompetence, just genuine incompetence.

BorisTrumpsHair · 30/05/2017 09:16

Tories caused Brexit. They will be blamed whoever negotiates it.

EleanorRigbysNeice · 30/05/2017 09:27

Multimillionaire Dave Cameron caused Brexit, again with the smug "we can't lose" Tory attitude. Thank you Mr Cameron for giving us the "You're now officially fucked" Big Society. Enjoy your early 40's retirement Wink

Elendon · 30/05/2017 09:30

I've been thinking the same thing but thought I was being conspiratorial. Thankfully, others do feel the same.

The fox hunting thing for me left me speechless.

But the wholesale selling off of the NHS to the USA? The attack on disabled people? The chronic under funding of schools? That leaves me speechless.

Elendon · 30/05/2017 09:34

Noblegiraffe Great post.

However, you also have to factor in the press and the influence on voters, especially the S*n and the Dowdy Wail.

Was there ever a more unconvincing photo than May signing Article 50?

BorisTrumpsHair · 30/05/2017 13:00

It says something for public perceptions of Tory competence that when their incompetence is exposed people think it must be them doing it on purpose to lose an election.

They're not. They genuinely are this smug, arrogant, blind to the wants and needs of normal people and incapable of running things properly. As a teacher, I can see they are running this election campaign in exactly the same way as they run education - embarrassingly badly.

This isn't feigned incompetence, just genuine incompetence.

This!

Awwlookatmybabyspider · 03/06/2017 14:36

Well her saying to a hard working nurse. Who has not had a pay rise for God knows how many Years. Well there isn't a magic money tree. She's doing herself no favours, at all. Shed be fucking sick as would we all. If every and I mean every nurse. Hospital and community downed tools and said. "No enough is enough, and If I had to swear on oath. I wouldn't blame them. .
Theyre working around the clock, and Theyre expected to survive, not even live on a pittence.
I'm only going to say this once because. I'll bite my toungue or rather fingers off if I don't. There's a magic money tree for Foreign Aid though and her ridiculous beads. That dont even match her outfits.
They'll still get in though. Ill give everyone on this thread a £1. If they don't. Wink

GetThrough · 03/06/2017 14:44

But seriously, the younger people are very anti Tory, but we need to get them out and voting! Pull/drag all your teenagers out of bed and drag them down to vote if you need to! I work with teens just of voting age and they are ALL against the Torres, as are their friends.

GetThrough · 03/06/2017 14:45

*tories. Apologies to the islanders!

hackmum · 03/06/2017 18:31

She had a 20 point lead in the polls when she called the election. I think she expected to walk it. The dementia tax was puzzling but I reckon she thought she could afford to lose a few votes, and if she announced it now, no-one could accuse her of announcing it by stealth afterwards. I still think they'll win, unfortunately. They're reasonably well ahead in the polls.

foxyloxy78 · 03/06/2017 20:20

Yes. That's why we should all vote conservative and not let them get out of it.

PigletJohn · 03/06/2017 23:00

Great news for the well-off and rich in today's Telegraph

"No income tax rises for high earners under Tory government, minister reveals"*

By Gordon Rayner, Political Editor

3 June 2017 • 8:57am

High earners will not face any increase in income tax under a new Conservative government, one of Theresa May’s most senior ministers has promised.

Sir Michael Fallon, the Defence Secretary, said voting Tory was “the only way” workers across the wage spectrum could be sure their tax would not go up, ending weeks of uncertainty for middle-class professionals.

The pledge puts clear water between the Tories and Labour on personal tax, with Jeremy Corbyn promising to increase income tax on those earning more than £80,000 to help pay for a £50 billion giveaway.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/02/no-income-tax-rises-high-earners-tory-government-minister-reveals/

PigletJohn · 03/06/2017 23:03

Bad news for the well-off and rich in today's FT and BBC

BBC 4pm 3/6/17
"Theresa May has insisted Tory tax plans have not changed after a senior cabinet minister signalled there would be no income tax increase for higher earners.

The prime minister said it was her party's "firm intention to reduce taxes on ordinary working families".

But Sir Michael Fallon said in the Daily Telegraph that there would be no rise in income tax for higher earners.

Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said the Conservatives' tax policies were in "chaos"."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2017-40141470

Nice to know we can always rely on Theresa and her team to keep each other in the dark.

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