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Autism is caused by poor attachment?

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LosPollosHermanos17 · 29/05/2017 13:26

I have recently been involved in therapy that says autism is caused by poor attachment with the parents causing all the symptoms. I thought this was an outdated theory. Just wondered what other people think of this?

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LosPollosHermanos17 · 29/05/2017 18:43

Sorry Jess I am in car park at dancing lessons. My daughter was very happy she has a diagnosis. She doesn't know she has a learning disability as well. She is proud to be autistic.

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LosPollosHermanos17 · 29/05/2017 18:48

Thank you Nooka

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Teardropexplodes · 29/05/2017 18:51

Absolute nonsense. My son has autism. We've been joined at the hip since the day he was born.

slkk · 29/05/2017 18:55

champagne some people with attachment problems are diagnosed with bpd as adults.

craftyoldhen · 29/05/2017 19:07

Some people with autism are also diagnosed with BPD as adults.

Usually incorrectly.

TheChampagneGalop · 29/05/2017 19:22

slkk and craftyoldhen
Do you mean borderline or bipolar disorder?
I'm no expert but the difference between those two diagnosises and autism seems huge...

Bubblesdays · 29/05/2017 19:25

Not that poster but women especially have been misdiagnosed with borderline personality disorser rather then autism

TheChampagneGalop · 29/05/2017 19:31

That is surprising to hear. I wonder why.

TheHouseOfIllRepute · 29/05/2017 20:11

I have a birth child who has aspergers and an adopted child who has AD
BC was a velcro baby and I attachment parented before it had a name and out of necessity. Extended breast feeding, carried in a sling, co sleeping
DC wanted touch all the time. Grown up now and still very close
AD presents very differently. Attachment disorder is horrible.
But there are only so many behaviours a young, overwhelmed child can demonstrateso the behaviours overlap
FASD should be thrown into the mix too. A friend of a friend drank throughout her pregnancy. I am familiar with FASD and would put money in her DS having it. He is diagnosed ASD though
We are lucky to have a paed who specialises in attachment disorder but they are few and far between
My friends DC was prem and in an incubator for the first few weeks of life. She shows similar traits to my AD child but not nearly as extreme

DixieNormas · 29/05/2017 20:35

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CherryMintVanilla · 29/05/2017 20:50

It's bollocks. I was a SAHP for DS all through childhood. I went with him to every activity, I read him several stories at bedtime, I was there when he had nightmares, I woke him up every morning and had breakfast with him. I very rarely went out and left him with a sitter - like once a year. He co-slept with me for 5 years. I could not have spent more time with him than I did. He has classic autism.

Allthewaves · 29/05/2017 20:54

lolollololololololololololololol

I'm laughing so much at the utter ridiculousness of the statement. My HFA ds is my most attached child. He never left my side, slept in my bed was carried in a sling. Everyone joked he was my sticky plaster.

whoisA · 29/05/2017 21:22

My dd has attachment disorder, many people automatically think she has autism as the symptoms are very similar.
Have heard before that some people that have been diagnosed with autism may actually have attachment disorder as they are so similar. They are also moving away from the abuse/neglect/trauma being the only cause.
Attachment disorder in adults tends to be diagnosed as borderline personality disorder.
My dd is in a Sen unit and the children in there that have autism have all got loving homes with siblings that don't have autism.

whoisA · 29/05/2017 21:35

Was unclear in my post- my dd has attachment disorder due to the abuse/neglect/trauma before she came to me.

TheSconeOfStone · 29/05/2017 21:40

My DD1 has as ASD and she is very well attached to her parents, extended family, friends, teachers. She's a loving, loyal and affectionate girl. She does have a lot of other challenges but attachment isn't one for her. I am a very attached to both my children, despite DD1 being a difficult baby. I have always loved her to bits and she knows it. She didn't cuddle back much in the earlier years as she was too 'busy' (I suspected ADHD for a long time). Now she frequently comes for a hug when things get overwhelming.

whataboutbob · 29/05/2017 21:45

ThefirstMrsDV- your link does not open.
As mentioned, I worked in a Romanian orphanage in 1993 and returned in 2002 to carry out research for a Masters in Medical Anthropology among HIV infected children brought up in orphanages. I also learnt Romanian. I know through my time there that gypsy mothers would drop off children, and also come back weeks/ months/ years later to pick them up, when times were a little easier. Other children (ethnic Romanian and Gypsy) had apparently been abandoned altogether.
An uncomfortable fact maybe, but I don't think saying that is participating in demonising Roma. Sorry if I gave that impression. Throughout the world people take very difficult decisions through poverty.

TheFirstMrsDV · 29/05/2017 22:10

I re posted my link just below.
I am sorry if I misunderstood your intention but your post gave a pretty simplistic explanation for the presence of Gypsy children in orphanages.

TheFirstMrsDV · 29/05/2017 22:11

Sorry
That should be 'your post appeared to give a pretty simplistic.....

Catgotyourbrain · 29/05/2017 22:29

Op as many have said it's utter bunkum.

But I wanted to add that I think you should complain to the registering/governing body that your therapist is registered with. If not that then via th health authority. This 'refrigerator parent' thing needs firmly debunking and it will do real and lasting harm to parents and children who are told it as part of 'therapy'

I really believe that we need to speak or about these poisonous opinions or they will persist.

It's not that long ago that people were seeing therapists claiming to 'cute' them of homosexuality and the climate of opinion would never allow that now (I know it still happens but not in the mainstream)

Please consider complaining.

Catgotyourbrain · 29/05/2017 22:32

'Cure' not 'cute'

whataboutbob · 30/05/2017 12:59

That's fine ThefirstMrs. I can assure you I have no agenda to belittle the Roma or their challenges. This has moved on somewhat from the OPs thread . My initial post was simply to say that I had witnessed severely neglected children who had autistic like presentation.

SisyphusDad · 30/05/2017 15:37

Haven't read the whole thread but I'm with those who say that there are symptoms in common between ASD and attachment disorders but no casual connection. As someone who has lived with the lifelong consequences of attachment problems I've done a lot of reading and research and there is no reputable evidence what so ever that parental neglect causes ASD.

BrexitSucks · 30/05/2017 20:13

Recent article about "quasi-autism" in Romanian orphans.

I hate reading about those kids. :( Painfully sad.
If alcoholism was a factor for many of the orphan parents, there must be much FAE & FAS in the kids, too.

Booboostwo · 30/05/2017 20:52

French psychoanalytic bollocks, sadly peddled all over France. A couple of years ago there was a documentary called Le Mur exploring the views of French paediatric psychologists on the causes of autism. It was discussed on here at the time and should pop up on a search. The gist of it was the autism is caused by the mother (never the father, he's too busy being perfect) being either too cold or too stifling in her love towards the child (all bases covered). Diagnostic techniques included giving a child an alligator toy and if the child placed his hands in the mouth of the alligator he was clearly showing how his fear of his mother made him autistic. Other outlandish claims included the ability to diagnose and cure autism in babies as young as 8mo. These were not crackpots, but professionals at major hospitals.

The participants took the film maker to court and managed to get the documentary withdrawn as it apparently damaged their reputations.

LosPollosHermanos17 · 30/05/2017 21:37

Grin oh dear booboost sounds like they would really get on with this therapist!

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