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In not letting 9mo ds watch children's TV?

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ScoobyC · 16/03/2007 20:12

I have never put children's TV on for ds, and I haven't bought any Baby Einstein dvds etc and I am suddenly worrying that I am in some way depriving him as I have just realised that (some) other babies do watch TV.
So, this may be a ridiculous question (it really is amazing what you can worry about when you have a child), but does anyone have any thoughts on whether it is good for a baby's development to watch kids TV?
As background, this hasn't been a particularly thought out decision or anything, it's just that ds has never been a baby who sits, he is very active and so he wouldn't just sit and watch TV. For purely selfish reasons, if the tv is on it has adult programs on as I don't want to watch kids tv until I absolutely have to!

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Nightynight · 18/03/2007 21:05

ah I your child doesnt inhale...

powder28 · 18/03/2007 21:05

Well why make a commment like that? It wasnt in context with the way the conversation was going.
Oh dear...

hatrick · 18/03/2007 21:06

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Nightynight · 18/03/2007 21:08

sarky attacks are sometimes phrased like that on mn. I certainly thought it as ambiguous - you couldnt tell if it as meant to be sarky or not. chances are it asnt.

hatrick · 18/03/2007 21:09

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Nightynight · 18/03/2007 21:11

no, but if you post something ambiguous then it is likely to be interpreted in different ays. it is best to get a la yer to check all posts before posting them ime

powder28 · 18/03/2007 21:12

Ithink steinermum was implying that i am hyepractive in some way, but it is not her that people are attacking.
Also it is easy to manipulate a situation like this to look like i am a highly strung individual. HOwever, I am not going to allow people to be aggressive towards me and not respond. You have to look at your own behaviour and then wonder why im being defensive.

hillary · 18/03/2007 21:13

I don't personnaly like alot of kids tv programs and don't think its healthy for a 9 month old to watch the majority of programs.

I only allow my dd1 who's 3 to watch things like Noddy, Thomas the TE, Fifi & Peppa Pig etc. My dd2 who is 12 months is also present when these programs are on but is not really bothered. Alot of kids programs are hypo and silly as children copy I don't want my children to think throwing food etc is ok, my dd1 watched Scooby Doo and had nightmares or a week! not necessary.

FrannyandZooey · 18/03/2007 21:14

I am looking at my own behaviour, powder, and I am wondering why you are being defensive. That is precisely what I am doing.

steinermum · 18/03/2007 21:15

OK, Powder28 I will phrase this very carefully to avoid unnecessary offence. I am now off to watch TV with my DH. I do not, however, think it is healthy for the TV to be on all day when small children are in the house, regardless of whether it's GMTV or CBeebies. I do not think a 9 month old is missing out on anything by not watching TV. Finally, The tone of many of your posts suggests to me that you also believe your mum is right about the effect all-day TV is having in your own household. Goodnight.

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powder28 · 18/03/2007 21:20

ok, im going to have a glass of wine and relax.
I love a fiery discussion. No hard feelings.

Traycee · 18/03/2007 21:20

powder- don't worry too much- tv is on too much (imo) in our house. Our eldest has SN and when we turn it off, he turns it on, we turn it off, he turns it on etc etc. I've never done the remove it and live with the screaming routine because I've never thought it worth it (other battles to fight), and actually its something he can do independently, and learn from. I don't allow manic fast forwarding of videos though. I do often turn it down so it's almost inaudible- partle because I can't bear the noise.

He has 2 other siblings. When he's out I tend to turn the TV off. I can't say its really affected their development. They'll watch it, but when bored with it will go and play with something else. They're both doing well etc etc.

catASTROPHE · 18/03/2007 21:21

Wow, what a can of worms eh?

When at uni I studuied education and wrote some essays on TV and kids - there is lots of very interesting research out there.

Some things I remember reading:

Its not until the age of 7 or later that children can really reliably tell the difference between whats real and inaginary, or what is a TV program and what an ad. Ads are made specifically to look like they are part of the program.

TV programs for children have a far greater number of scene changes per second than those aimed at children, so many porgrams are not at all relaxing (although they are enthralling/hypnotic), but are extremely stimulating.

Children who come to school having watched TV in the morning often perform badly as they are over stimulated, and school is so very dull and slow moving compared to the telly.

Childrens cartoons often have a higher number of violent episodes than adults drama programs. You might think the violence doesn't matter because it doesn't seem real and is funny, but these factors make it more damaging. Some research has shown that children are significantly more aggressive to their peers after watching slapstick cartoons.

Interesting hey? Sorry I don't know where it all comes from, its just what I remember from those essays a while back.

We don't have a TV. We do have a computer (obviously!) and watch DVDs on it. I would rather DD (2.9) didn't watch any TV/DVDs, but she watches about 30-40mins every day while I Bfeed and put to bed my 12 month old ds. She watches DVDs specifically chosen for their story based, music based or slow paced natures - eg, The very hungry catapillar, Hairy Maclary stories, Play School or the Wiggles. I don't think its doing her any real harm, although she does sometimes ask during the day when its DVD time, which I think is a shame as it spoils her enjoyment of other things.

Re the baby Einsten DVDs, what are they like? I think DD would love to watch a documantary type DVD, of animals or something...is that what they are?

duchesse · 18/03/2007 21:22

Good grief, no, you are not being unreasonable. I do not think that children under 2 are generally able to separate reality from the make-believe. You have to be able to recognise symbols to be able to understand tha telly, essentially a moving picture is a representation of something and not just pretty moving lights.

I suppose what I'm saying is that for a baby unable to understand symbolism, watching tv would be an even more passive activity than it is for older children and grown-ups. At 9 months old, a child is too centred in the present and the concrete, rightly so, to find television anything other than a light show. Unless children have evolved a lot in the last 9 years since my last was born.

PS: sorry for replying to the OP without reading the thread- I'm getting rather bored with trying to keep up with spats on MN, and have better things to do.

Traycee · 18/03/2007 21:23

baby einstein dvd's are like tripping on acid. They're worth trying though as they sell easily on amazon if you loathe them (I did!)

catASTROPHE · 18/03/2007 21:25

so not docos for kids then traycee?

NotanOtter · 18/03/2007 21:29

i hate the whole kids tv culture - like its cool- happens a lot on here tbh

AitchYouBerk · 18/03/2007 21:58

blimey. i've been off Doing Something Less Boring Instead (as the old Why Don't You theme tune used to go) and you've all been at it hammer and tongs.

to answer your question, catastrophe, the baby einstein dvds are not mini docs, and i think that if you were tripping on acid they would be pheeeenomenal, but that wouldn't push me to say that they are like an acid trip.

basically there is classical music, set to which there are quite slow moving shots of toys, children, nature scenes etc, which are introduced by puppets who act out deeply hilarious comic vignettes (at least in dd's opinion). i personally think that they are really skilfully and beautifully done. i have no idea whatsoever if they are educational in their own right (i rather think not, tbh, despite the blurb on the cover) but i like watching them with dd if i need to get something done in the same room as her.

dd also likes playing with her wnaky basket, musical toys, books etc. i love telly myself, but i am conscious of the fact that babies can't distinguish as easily as we can between foreground and background noise so i don't have it or the radio on unless i want to.

catASTROPHE · 18/03/2007 22:35

thanks aitch. I'm not bothered about the educational calue really, I juft think she would enjoy some realy images, as opposed to cartoons. What age are they for? I'm thinking of getting her the animals one for her 3rd b'day.

I'd really like to just get her an animal doco, but am a bit worried there might be a scene where they start killing each other or something!

catASTROPHE · 18/03/2007 22:35

calue = value

AitchYouBerk · 18/03/2007 22:44

i'm not sure. why don't you send me an email at aitch at babyledweaning dot com and i'll post you a copy so you can have a look?

Fillyjonk · 19/03/2007 07:18

cat-david attenborough docs are good but you need to presceen them-there are some rather gruesome scenes.

ds loves "The Secret Life of Plants"

unsuprisingly, its slow moving and with no real violence or fast paced scene changes...

its also quite good though

FrannyandZooey · 19/03/2007 08:30

I read that as "The Secret Life of Pants"

oh dear

pomegranatesparkle · 19/03/2007 08:55

No, of course TV's not good for them, why start the brain-washing now?, how else do you think George Bush got in as pres.? I thought there had been some recent research on cognitive effects of watching TV advising a complete ban for under 3s as young children can't cope with fast-moving shots etc. Children's TV is probably not as culpable as fast action shots though, 10 month-dd watches no TV usually, although did have Comio Relief on in background last Friday