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Electoral fallout after Manchester...

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Badweekjustgotworse · 23/05/2017 09:23

First off, my heart is breaking for all those who were murdered last night and the families who've lost loved ones. There is evil in this world and that anyone could target a concert with such a huge number of children is beyond my comphrension

What will the political fallout be though? It can't be random that it happened so close to the election and must've in part been planned to destabilise our political system and process. How this is responded to be May and Corbyn will tell be telling. Obviously campaigning has been suspended for the meantime but when it swings back into action how much manipulation of people's fears about terrorism are going to be feed back into the campaigns? Will May try to take advantage of Corbyn's perceived lack of leadership and reticence to resort to hardline policies?

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LadyGlitterSparklesSeriously · 23/05/2017 10:43

I think a lot of people will be lying if they say this didn't cross their mind. I know it did mine. I have absolutely no faith that this won't be used for political point-scoring.

But it isn't even noon. It leaves a bad taste in my mouth even talking about it right now tbh.

PigletJohn · 23/05/2017 10:45

He's not denying that he had discussions with the Loyalist, the Republican and the Westminster representatives in his attempts to bring peace to NI.

He has condemned murders, bombing and violence from all sides.

Are you going to tell me he is therefore a Loyalist sympathiser, a Republican sympathiser and a Thatcher sympathiser?

makeourfuture · 23/05/2017 10:45

Let's wait for the facts please.

MakingMerry · 23/05/2017 10:49

But all that will happen if we don't talk about it now, is that political parties will start to score points with it, without the electorate being able point out they are doing. They will be talking about this now, they will be strategising about this now - that's how the whole political party machinery works, that's what hundreds of people at party head offices are paid to do.

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Badweekjustgotworse · 23/05/2017 10:51

makingmerry precisely. I couldn't agree more.

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makeourfuture · 23/05/2017 10:56

But we don't know much right now. The police have issued statements that it is seemingly a lone bomber with a homemade device. Twenty-two people are reported dead and quite a few more wounded.

Anything else at this point is conjecture.

Belle1616 · 23/05/2017 11:00

This awful attack was some lone nut. I don't understand why people always jump to the conclusion that it is immediately terrorist related. It doesn't matter who is in power, if some lone whack job decides he wants to hurt people he will. I hardly think TM's policies will do anything to help matters.

makeourfuture · 23/05/2017 11:01

I would think that if anyone who has information which could help the investigation, or if anyone has any information which could help find the missing then that would be the thing to do.

Anything else is not helping.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 23/05/2017 11:04

I'm not going to tell you anything, Piglet - you are the one going on about conspiracies

littlehandcuffs · 23/05/2017 11:04

Really bad taste, people are still missing children. Have the decency to suspend your electioneering today.

MakingMerry · 23/05/2017 11:05

I disagree, makeourfuture we, the electorate, keeping a close eye on our politicians to hold them to account for their behavior is helping. It's helping maintain democratic accountability.

I fundamentally disagree that politicians should not be held accountable for their actions during major incidents.That is when they should be held most accountable.

JamieXeed74 · 23/05/2017 11:07

It is to early. But I have to admit it does make me think we cant take a risk on Jeremy at times like these.

Bluntness100 · 23/05/2017 11:10

This awful attack was some lone nut. I don't understand why people always jump to the conclusion that it is immediately terrorist related

But this is the face of terrorism now. Extremists, people who have been radicalised, who target the soft targets, working in small cells. could the culprit been working alone and not radicalised, from what they know so far the answer to that is no. This was terrorism.

As for corbyn. He is who he is and he refuses to deny it or condemn it.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/05/19/exclusive-mi5-opened-file-jeremy-corbyn-amid-concerns-ira-links/

www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/jeremy-corbyn-has-blood-on-his-hands-from-ira-support-former-terrorist-says-35741452.html

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Badweekjustgotworse · 23/05/2017 11:12

makingmerry it right, I'm really shocked at how many posters on here are willing to sit back and swallow the media spin of 'isn't humanity great people are offering free taxi rides and cups of tea' Yes it is great, but the media are asduredly using that reporting as a smoke screen to placate the masses. It's bloody brilliant but you know what, it should be expected not note worthy that human beings rush to each other's aide in times of crisis. What we need to be talking about is how this happened, why it happened and what we an do it prevent it. As for corbyns being friendly with the IRA, he negotiated with all parties and helped support a peace process that stopped the bombings. And you know what if you're that worried about his 'terrorist connections' aren't you aware that there are leading people in stormont that WERE the IRA and UVF? These terrorists have become our politicians and you're worried that corbyn had 'links' to them? Confused

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makeourfuture · 23/05/2017 11:14

But this is the face of terrorism now. Extremists, people who have been radicalised, who target the soft targets, working in small cells. could the culprit been working alone and not radicalised, from what they know so far the answer to that is no. This was terrorism.

We do not know this yet.

It could be many things, a stalking fan, a person with mental health issues....

We will probably know much more pretty quickly.

Right now it is purely conjecture.

blaeberry · 23/05/2017 11:23

Corbyn was not involved in negotiating peace in NI. He played no part in the Good Friday Agreement.

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Badweekjustgotworse · 23/05/2017 11:32

baeberry sorry I worded badly, I was trying to say that it's a bit off that the focus on corbyns alleged links to the IRA are being spun by the media when actual terrorists in both the Ira and uvf have held seats in stormont. Corbyn supported the peace process

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DixieFlatline · 23/05/2017 11:40

But we don't know much right now. The police have issued statements that it is seemingly a lone bomber with a homemade device. Twenty-two people are reported dead and quite a few more wounded.

Anything else at this point is conjecture.

Ah, conjecture. So the politicians will be sitting by the phone, waiting for a call to come in to strategy meetings as soon as they're sure exactly what happened, and not a minute before? Don't be naive.

Bluntness100 · 23/05/2017 11:48

op, I think uou need to read up on corbyn. I know it's distressing to do so and to realise who he is and that this man really is the labour leader, but it would be very naive not to take the time out to read and understand it. His party has tried repeatedly to get him out, for a multitude of reasons inc this, and I hope after the election they will be successful this time.

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Badweekjustgotworse · 23/05/2017 11:50

bluntness where do you suggest I read up? The sun? Dailyfail? I'll happliy read any links you provide

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Bluntness100 · 23/05/2017 11:51

And the fact there is others out there, does not make him any more acceptable. One wrong does not make another wrong ok. It does not justify it. Not when it's something as serious as terrorism. Not when it's our prime minister He wasn't just nicking from his expense account. This man really does have blood on his hands. People need to vote for decency above anything else in this regard.

Bluntness100 · 23/05/2017 11:51

I already provided a couple, neither of which were the Sun or the daily mail. Just take the time to google, look at all the information and make your own mind up.

makeourfuture · 23/05/2017 11:53

Don't be naive.

We will know a lot more very soon.

LiviaDrusillaAugusta · 23/05/2017 11:54

Why do people always say 'oh I suppose I should read the Sun or the Mail' when anyone suggests anything negative about Corbyn? Long gone are the days of limited news outlets - read as much as you can from every possible source and then decide

makeourfuture · 23/05/2017 11:55

Steady on Bluntness.

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