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TV Licence Investigation

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Wannabe2017 · 19/05/2017 10:31

Apologies if this has be raised before.

I have received a letter today stated that we're under investigation and to expect a visit from the TV Licence people, I think this is due to us declaring we didn't need a licence. Which we don't.

What are my rights here? Can I refuse entry? Can I record them if I answer the door. I don't have anything to hide but don't feel comfortable letting in a stranger, I've also read/seen videos of how intimidating they can be. I'm usually alone here with DD during the day and feel quite vulnerable.

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Seeingadistance · 19/05/2017 13:13

They're bullies - you don't need to let them in.

I'm curious - why would anyone have to contact the BBC licensing people to withdraw implied right of access? Why would they have any right of access to someone's home in the first place?!

Wannabe2017 · 19/05/2017 13:16

Apologies I went channel 4 and 5 catch-up not live. We can't access live TV as we have no aerial Smile

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YouWhatMate · 19/05/2017 13:25

When I was younger I had a TV to play playstation on but no aerial or anything for TV. I used to get letters from the TV Licensing people every month or two informing me of investigations, etc. and demanding that I call or write to them.

I assumed that if they actually investigated me, they would see I had no aerial, and since I was young and lazy, I just binned the letters and waited for whatever happened next. I never called or wrote to them. They sent me variations of the same letter every month or two for about 4 years, then I moved house. That was all that ever happened.

Truly a bizarre system.

BonjourMeDarlin · 19/05/2017 13:25
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peaceout · 19/05/2017 13:29

They just pick the low hanging fruit,ie those who are intimidated by and respond to the letters
That's the most cost effective strategy, promote the myth of the detector vans and send out letters which sound authoritative....many people do respond to an authoritative voice especially if they believe they are being watched by the vans

Smoke and mirrors 🙄

ShowMePotatoSalad · 19/05/2017 13:34

You can access live TV without an aerial because you can stream live TV through the internet. Which would still require a license. (Not that that's what you're doing because you said it was C4 and C5 catch up). But just pointing out live TV can be accessed without an aerial..

BonjourMeDarlin · 19/05/2017 13:34

I always wondered about the vans - how do they know if a tv is on a wall if it yours or your neighbours (who dutifully pay their license)? Must be blimmin' accurate lasers or whatever they use HmmSmile

Jupitar · 19/05/2017 13:45

I know 100% that I do not require a licence as we don't have access to live TV and don't watch iplayer. We have a PS4, which gives us access to netlflix, now TV, amazon, channels 4 and 5!
I thought you could access live tv through now tv? I was going to cancel our licence, but the kids said they occasionally watch live tv through the now tv box?

JustMumNowNotMe · 19/05/2017 13:52

Yes you can Jupiter, i am doing it now Smile

Norland · 19/05/2017 14:00

Staggering number of replies with 'license' in place of 'licence'
Even those posting links with the word 'licence' in the link use 'license'

licence = noun
license = verb

(I am the spelling police today; clearly the government need to spend more on education)

Anyway, speaking as someone who has more than a passing knowledge of this, it's highly unlikely those nice vans with the rotating roof aerials can detect your using a television.

In the good old days, when a television used a cathode ray tube for a screen, rather than the LED/LCD/Plasma screen 99.9% of us have now, there were certain things required to make said screen work.

One of these was a line-output transformer (LOPT) The LOPT required a voltage of around 25,000 volts (could be as high as 29,000 volts) for a colour screen, or around 8,000 volts for monochrome (Black & White) These transformers would in turn generate their own radio frequency (RF) signals ('cos that's what high-voltage stuff does) and the detector vans' aerials, could supposedly pick up these RF signals and determine from where they came, by using triangulation, therefore even in a block of 100 flats, no problem to say it was dear old Ethel in Flat 89 on the 22nd floor. There was also - supposedly - a way of detecting the signals emitted from the Local Oscillator Crystal (which operated at ~4.33Mhz) and would therefore confirm that you had a colour telly, even though you'd bought a B&W licence.

Having gone off at a complete tangent, to answer your original question, just speak to them in French until they go away (that's what I do to the JWs)

SteamTrainsRealAleandOpenFires · 19/05/2017 14:04

Here is what Martin Lewis says:- TV Licence

And the thread:- TV Licence artical discussion

If they do turn up (not very likely) do not sign anything as it'll be used as a "confession" according to my DP.

Wannabe2017 · 19/05/2017 14:11

We have the now TV app not the box, with movies on demand. Not TVSmile

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nicknameofawesome · 19/05/2017 14:14

Mostly they catch people by discovering Sky or Virgin subscriptions registered to their address...

You don't have to let them in.

The iPlayer loophole has been closed. They may be able to track if you watch iPlayer via IP address but I'm unsure of that as it may be protected data.

Watching BBC shows on Netflix or Amazon prime means nothing. They can't track that for sure.

If you just watch Netflix and Amazon you are fine. If you watch live tv or iPlayer you need a license.

DadOnIce · 19/05/2017 14:14

I never thought even as a child that detector vans had anything in them. They know where all the unlicensed addresses are. They simply visit them.

To be honest, though, the people doing the filming on those YouTube videos do come across rather as smug, obstreporous arseholes. The kind of people who make sure they know all their "rights", and love to get stroppy about asserting them, but will be a little hazy on their responsibilities. Just because you can technically assert the right to do something, doesn't always mean it's the route which will make everyone's life easier. It takes ten seconds to show someone your living room, confirm that you've got no telly and get them off your back.

Carrying on arguing like that just makes it look as if you are watching TV illegally with no licence and you're trying to hide the fact. Which a lot of people do. If you're obeying the law, why behave in a way which arouses the suspicion that you aren't?

I also don't understand why people object to the TV licence. It's £147. That works out at just over 40p a day. Even if all you ever watched was the news headlines, that's half the price of a daily newspaper. If all you watch is Casualty every week, that's about £2.80 an episode. It's also vastly cheaper than Sky. You could hate 95% of what's on the BBC, but if you liked the other 5% it would still be good value.

Netflix is cheaper, but you get a very small selection of programmes compared to the BBC.

There's an video somewhere of Russell T Davies talking to an audience - and I can't find it for now - about just how much original programming the BBC creates compared with the US networks, where on some of them you can literally go a week without seeing any newly-made, original programming.

Firesuit · 19/05/2017 14:18

We can't access live TV as we have no aerial

You don't need an aerial to watch live TV. On my Smart TV even with no aerial connected and no external set top boxes connected I can watch live TV, because (for example) the iPlayer app allows you to play lives streams, not just catch-up.

Firesuit · 19/05/2017 14:21

OK, so iplayer has to be licensed anyway, but there are also other apps that can play live TV.

For example you could watch sky sports on Now TV.

YouWhatMate · 19/05/2017 14:22

I also don't understand why people object to the TV licence. It's £147. That works out at just over 40p a day

Because a lot of people don't watch it at all

BonjourMeDarlin · 19/05/2017 14:26

Many people can't afford £147 year.

LostMySanityCanIBorrowYours · 19/05/2017 14:26

I also don't understand why people object to the TV licence. It's £147. That works out at just over 40p a day

And a significant amount of the working poor cannot afford bread without the help of Foodbanks/family. Why should they pay 40p per day for something they do not use nor want to use?

It's generally the working poor who don't fully understand or exercise their rights that TVL target i.e the people who let them in because they think they have to.

Once my neighbours start paying towards my Netflix/Kindle Unlimited, I'll pay towards their BBC.

BonjourMeDarlin · 19/05/2017 14:29

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/jimmy-savile/12172773/Jimmy-Savile-sex-abuse-report-to-be-published-live.html I don't want to give the BBC any money.

LightYears · 19/05/2017 14:32

The kind of people who make sure they know all their "rights", and love to get stroppy about asserting them, Oh no, we can't have people standing up for their right can we, lets all be good little minions. There's a lot of brainwashed fools about.

iMatter · 19/05/2017 14:34

This is really interesting.

What about listening to the radio? Are you "allowed" to listen to the radio without a license?

Smeaton · 19/05/2017 14:36

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LightYears · 19/05/2017 14:36

Yes.

RataSum · 19/05/2017 14:40

What about listening to the radio? Are you "allowed" to listen to the radio without a license?
yep, radio doesn't need a license.

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