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To be worried about the school rabbits? WWYD?

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lottieandmia · 13/05/2017 00:17

Dd's school acquired two very cute little rabbits recently. She has been very keen to sign up to take them home to look after for the weekend so today we collected them for the weekend.

I'm really shocked to see that they spend pretty much their entire lives in a tiny living space which does not allow them to move around or stretch out. My guinea pigs have a much bigger cage than they do. The rabbits cage allows them to only do one hop from length to length (if that)

We're animal lovers and I'm very worried about them. So much so that I'm willing to buy them a bigger hutch to donate to the school.

In my situation what would you do about this? We have never had rabbits but I do know they are intelligent, complex and are often rehomed due to a lack of understanding about their care needs. What would you do?

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kali110 · 14/05/2017 20:54

Op the rabbits should have freah food every day!
This thread makes me so angry.
Cannot believe this school allows this.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 14/05/2017 21:07

I'm watching this thread in the hope that the school sort something proper out for those poor rabbits Sad

squiz81 · 14/05/2017 21:26

I know you don't feel you should keep them but do you think you could hold on to them until the new hutch arrives? (Well done for that btw!)

Its such a bonkers arrangemenarrangement I cant believe a school is doing this. I would never trust my rabbits with children, they can damage their spines easily if dropped.

Let us know the outcome of this please!

SadieTheNurse · 14/05/2017 22:55

Wow well done. How much did it cost? Are you sure they have room for it at the school?

Leapfrog44 · 15/05/2017 10:04

You're right. CASTIGATE the school. They're supposed (presumably) to be teaching children how to care about animals. Locking them up in a tiny cage teaches children that they are not sentient beings who need as natural-an environment as possible, but plaything who are fine kept in a tiny box.

And letting random kids take them home is horribly irresponsible. The school then has no control then about how much the rabbits are handled and played with or who well they're cared for. How do they know the kids will not manhandle them?

Jesus, give us the name of the school and I'll tackle them. I'm disgusted!

Leapfrog44 · 15/05/2017 10:06

PLEASE give us the name of the school, many people here are rightly very concerned about the welfare of these rabbits.

MariposaNieve · 15/05/2017 12:02

I once knew a family who had a guinea pig in a cage more appropriate for a small hamster or a mouse. It barely had room to walk from one end to the other... and then they wondered why it bit them and was so grumpy all the time! They claimed to be 'animal lovers.'

Why won't RSPCA remove rabbits? I've seen rabbits on their rehoming pages before.

Talk to the school... If they don't clarify that they have a larger hutch/run somewhere, then I would report it to an animal charity as neglect.

Lostinaseaofbubbles · 15/05/2017 13:03

I found a (clearly tame or I wouldn't have been able to catch her) rabbit (a black lop, so unlikely to be a wild) in the middle of a busy road on my way back from shopping one day and leapt in front of a bus too shoo her out of the road and catch her.

Knocked on doors, called police to report her found and called the RSPCA to ask them to rehome her. Was told that they always end up with too many rabbits and their only option was to euthanise, but because I'd called the police I had an obligation to keep her for 14 days to allow the owner to come forward. So I ended up with a rabbit. For 5 years. I found the RSPCA useless in that instance.

Kokusai · 15/05/2017 13:18

What has happened OP?

Did you tell the Head that you had noticed some issues wit the rabbits and had been advised not to move them, and you'd like to speak? I thought that was a good suggestion.

Leapfrog44 · 15/05/2017 14:59

Could you please keep us updated on this if you're not prepared to name and shame the school?

Practicalpam · 15/05/2017 15:10

Some useful information here. Perhaps the school could have a read. www.rngp.org/index-rabbit-facts.shtml www.rngp.org/index-rabbit-health.shtml

Fragglez · 15/05/2017 15:14

I don't think op should name the school. While this is appalling, naming them is just going to make them angry and reduce the chance of them listening to anything she has to say.

WellThisIsShit · 15/05/2017 15:56

This: Fragglez

"I don't think op should name the school. While this is appalling, naming them is just going to make them angry and reduce the chance of them listening to anything she has to say."

The OP is dealing with it in the best way to maintain a positive relationship with the school, which really is the only way to effect change.

There is no law or authority to back up any righteous anger or chastisement, so coming down on them like a ton of bricks simply won't work

Although I'm sure it would feel very satisfying at that moment, it would destroy any attempt at education and action through gaining cooperation with a groundswell of others. It would also make the OPs child's life at school really difficult, and as she's a new starter, stop her settling in and being accepted. No winners there. And that includes our furry friends.

Fbpn · 15/05/2017 16:32

The RSPCA will give you specific measurements for the hutch and outdoor access part too. Because there's two, the surface area will be more.
Rabbits do not make good childrens pets. They can be difficult to look after. They need constant access to fresh grass for their gut and teeth, plenty of room to exercise in. They must be held correctly if not their backs can break. There's loads more I could say. I'm a veterinary nurse, so know what I'm talking about.
Try the RSPCA first for guidelines on surface area, indoors and out. It's quite cruel and a bit neglectful to leave bunnies like this.
Thank you for looking after them so diligently.
Xx

lottieandmia · 15/05/2017 17:13

Hi everyone. Please be aware that I have a disabled child who kept me up all night so if I seem late updating then that's why.

Anyway, I've been on the phone to the Rabbit Welfare Association. The lady I spoke to was horrified and stated as many here have that rabbits are unsuitable pets to be kept in a school. She suggested I write an email to the school (which I have done) and copy them into it. This will give them a 'way in' to the school. So I have written the email, trying to make it as comprehensive as possible and include all the issues. I've also included a note that my dd and I have ordered a new hutch for the bunnies and that it will delivered to school asap and will be a donation from us to the school. I do hope that they will change their approach. I must say that I did have a sinking feeling returning them this morning :( but the lady st RFA says she agrees I can't just keep them or refuse to return them because it would be theft.

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Fbpn · 15/05/2017 17:26

You have been put in an awful predicament. Not easy to deal with. There are so many people telling you what to do, I think I'd want to crawl into a hole/that hutch and screaming.
Xxx

lottieandmia · 15/05/2017 17:30

I can promise I won't rest until those animals have a better quality of life.

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squiz81 · 15/05/2017 17:51

Thank you for the update, sorry to hear you had a bad night.

I think you have done the best thing. It will be interesting to hear the outcome now. It's refreshing to see so many on here caring about rabbits and knowing so much about them. So many bunnies get neglected and it makes me v.angry!

lottieandmia · 15/05/2017 18:16

No, I do understand it's frustrating when someone starts a thread, people get invested and then the op disappears. I promise I won't do that - I'll keep updating when something new happens. It's just I have a severely autistic teenager & im a regular poster but I'm a bit zombified today!

Honestly, I am very worried. I don't understand how this has been allowed to happen without someone citing reservations.

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lottieandmia · 15/05/2017 19:02

Here's the email I wrote to school,

Dear Mr X,

As you know, dd and I took care of the rabbits at the weekend. We have never kept rabbits and so I didn't previously know very much about them or their care requirements. When we arrived home, the first thing I noticed was that the hutch appears to be too small for the rabbits to live in. I could see that they were trying to stretch out but were unable to do so and when I lifted the lid of the hutch, they both tried to jump out. I have a very large indoor rabbit cage (which is one of our spare guinea pig cages) which I decided to put them in for the weekend. It's still not big enough for them but at least they could stretch out fully, hop around and be able to turn around unhindered. I covered the cage partially so that they felt safe. It was very interesting to watch their behaviour and I realised they are complex and intelligent creatures. I also realised they don't like being lifted up, so I did not allow my children to do this, we stroked them instead which they seemed to prefer.

I decided to do some research to find out about rabbit care. I found some information which suggests that moving rabbits around all the time is not good for their physical or mental wellbeing and that they can become very sick as a result. I understand that all the children, including my daughter love the rabbits and want to take them home and pet them. However, I'm wondering if it would be safer for them if they were to remain on site at the weekends to be fed and looked after by volunteers. I, for one would be quite happy to do this although I don't know what arrangements could be made with the caretaker. I also think that when they do need to go home with someone, it should be someone who can meet their care needs properly and perhaps limited to those people who have already kept rabbits as pets, have suitable housing space and runs etc or perhaps a member of staff. Since rabbits are prey animals, they often hide signs of illness until it is too late to help them so I think it would benefit them to have some consistency in their care routine so that if they become ill it is picked up sooner rather than later.

Returning to the issue of the hutch size, I understand that the rabbits have a nice enclosed area for them to run around in at school. But when they are inside their hutch it is very important for them to be able to lie down, fully outstretched while they are resting, do 3-4 consecutive hops and to stretch upwards without their ears touching the roof of the hutch. If they are not able to do these things, they may develop problems with their spines and skeletal structure. They may also become angry and aggressive when petted. I found information on housing here: www.therabbithouse.com/guide_size.asp

I have decided to order a bigger hutch for the rabbits to be delivered to school asap. It will be from a company called 'Home and Roost' and will be a hutch that is endorsed by the Rabbit Welfare Association. This will be a donation from DD and me to the school. Since we don't currently donate to an animal charity, it seems to me that this is an appropriate thing to do. They will then have a suitable hutch size and an outdoor area. Please understand that I am trying to help and offer whatever support I can and I would like to help the rabbits have long and happy lives for their sake and for the sake of the children and staff at school. I therefore hope that this will be ok.

Kind regards,
LottieandMia

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Manupprincess · 15/05/2017 19:13

That's such a lovely email, it shows you care and makes all the right points.
I have learnt so much from this thread and sadly decided a rabbit is not the right pet for us as we can't meet their needs.

lottieandmia · 15/05/2017 19:18

Thanks Manu - I've tried to not be guns blazing about it because I think honestly the staff / kids do love these rabbits. It's just that they haven't thought through the implications. And I don't think they'll listen to me if I get their backs up.

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Goingtobeawesome · 15/05/2017 19:18

That is scarily good.

You named your child. Are you okay with the name staying in?

LightYears · 15/05/2017 19:18

Well done OP. Lots of people will learn some important lessons from this.

lottieandmia · 15/05/2017 19:22

I've asked mnhq to remove that bit but tbh it's not an uncommon name is it Grin

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