To think Corbyn is to blame for the state of the country

[Devorak]

Usually, we have a few terms of Conservatives to balance the books and get us through the tough times then a few years of Labour (new LAbour or whatever they'll need to re-brand to now) during a boom to spend.

I think a manifesto with a 30Bn hole, the manifesto being leaked and running over a reporter's foot sum up the opposition at the moment and we need a strong opposition. It ended Brown and Blair when they got too free and easy with ridiculous fiscal policy and it's necessary now to keep May from swinging away from centre-right.

AIBU to Blame Corbyn and the Labour party for what might be to come?

The supposed 'hole' in manifesto is because the costings were not leaked. Neither you, nor anyone else can possibly know how well the policies are actually funded because the amended, full manifesto complete with coatings hasn't been released yet.

I thought that was obvious.

Let me try that again.

The supposed 'hole' in the manifesto costing is because the costings were not leaked. Neither you, nor anyone else can possibly know how well the policies are actually funded because the amended, full manifesto complete with costings hasn't been released yet.

Been up since 4am, brain already sludge!

I thought that was obvious.

If May's car had run over a person, she'd have gone back over again just to make sure he was going to be disabled for a lifetime and then refused him disability benefits.

I would blame JC for Brexit. If he had campaigned to stay in he EU think it would have tipped the balance in favor of staying in the EU.

As for his shambolic manifesto I think it will haunt the Labour party for decades as the sequel to the longest suicide note in history. We should be focusing on scrutinizing what the government is doing, JC is like a court jester wiggling his fingers in his ears and blowing raspberries to distract us from what is really happening.

Its like his policies are to end world hunger, which will only cost us a modest tax rise on the super rich (who will happily queue up to hand over whatever is asked of them) and will have no financial impact what so ever on the rest of society. Who wouldn't like that policy? And the Corbynista fanatics chant the mantra, well whats the harm in trying, let the guy who has never run anything in his life give it a whirl.

FFS People are not that stupid a) it will have a cost on low earners b) it wont work and c) he will destroy the country trying. The UK is not some toy you can let a simple child have a go on.

Of course the manifesto will be 'fully costed' but not with anything real. It will be borrow a few hundred billion here, tiny tax rise there, inefficiencies savings, tax loop holes, Amazon, Google bla bla bla. If only every other government ever had been clever enough to ask Google and Amazon to pay for ending world hunger before it would have been sorted by now. JC is a genius dangerous deluded fanatic.

The UK is not some toy you can let a simple child have a go on.

They let Osborne loose with the economy for years.

maybe blame the torys for having their awful policies in the first place....

^^this.

Overspending myths

"I would blame JC for Brexit. If he had campaigned to stay in he EU think it would have tipped the balance in favor of staying in the EU."

remind me who decided to have the referendum? was it Corbyn and the Labour party?

on the brexit campaign committee were 14 torys and 4 labour. totally corbyns fault

YouTheCat

The National debt has continued to rise because the deficit (our annual difference between revenue and spending) is not yet balanced. In 2010 the deficit was c£100 bn and it is now c£14bn. Therefore at the end of each year the debt increases by whatever the deficit is.

So under Tory rule so far:

Child poverty is up to 4 million (www.cpag.org.uk/content/child-poverty-jumps-4-million sorry don't know how to link!)

They've helped the super rich double their wealth (www.theguardian.com/business/2015/apr/26/recession-rich-britains-wealthiest-double-net-worth-since-crisis) whilst the cuts have impacted most severely on the poorest families (www.ifs.org.uk/publications/9164)

They committed election fraud in 2015 (and paid the maximum fine that could be levied at them www.electoralcommission.org.uk/i-am-a/journalist/electoral-commission-media-centre/news-releases-donations/conservative-party-fined-70,000-following-investigation-into-election-campaign-expenses)

Cameron's government created more new debt than every single Labour government in history combined. In 2010 they promised to clear the deficit in 5 years but are no way near and have now admitted it won't be done any time before 2021 (budgetresponsibility.org.uk/overview-of-the-november-2016-economic-and-fiscal-outlook/)

They're planning the biggest cuts to education in decades (see how the cuts will impact on schools local to you here www.schoolcuts.org.uk)

Over a million people had to use food banks last year (www.trusselltrust.org/news-and-blog/latest-stats/end-year-stats/)

But somehow it's all Corbyn's fault

I seriously don't understand how people have bought into the whole austerity con and believe Tories will improve the economy to benefit us all. Austerity served to vastly increase the wealth of a super rich minority at the expense of us all (May's husband is an investment banker who profits from tax avoiding companies, ffs).

remind me who decided to have the referendum? was it Corbyn and the Labour party? Umm it was the majority of voters that voted for the party that had put it in their manifesto. FYI all of the main parties had promised to hold a referendum on the EU.

They committed election fraud in 2015

Every party committed election fraud in 2015. It was an accounting error that had been 'normalised for years

But somehow it's all Corbyn's fault

Its not all his fault of course but he is responsible for making it worse by allowing it to go on unchallenged.

What are you on about OP? Jeremy has never even been a cabinet minister! It makes no more sense to blame him for the state of the nation than it does to blame the milkman.

Classic victim blaming BTW. Would you like to have eleven just a little pop at the tories just to even things up? Or Murdoch? Or the fucking BBC? Didn't think so.

I haven't despised anyone wtf

OP has to be a Tory plant ffs. No one is to blame for the state of our country aside from the fuckers that have been running it.

They have allowed children to go hungry in one of the richest countries of the world while giving their rich mates tax breaks. And that is Corbyn's fault? Oh please.

There are so many Tory plants on this site at the moment. To be expected I suppose.

YABVU And stupid -- you can't be blamed for what you haven't done yet.

YABVVVVVVU OP

What a bleddy ridiculous OP.
How silly

FYI all of the main parties had promised to hold a referendum on the EU. Not in the 2010 election, they didn't - that was only the Tories (and UKIP).

Agree with Cleorapter and Chaotica. Seen it all before when Ukip hired 'administration assistants' to take over Labour's FB page before the 2015 election

I am not a Labour voter however do think that not having a good solid opposition party is very bad for the country.

It could have all been so different if Blair and Brown hadn't blown all the money, we would have weathered the GFC much better. They promised it wasn't a return to boom and bust but they just can't seem to stop themselves. IMO the second biggest thing that has caused the Labour party to get into this state was the election of Ed rather than David Milliband. I think if David had become leader British politics would be in a much better place today.

I can only hope that Corbyn gets absolutely slaughtered and the Labour party either re-invents itself or a few break away to create a new party.

I like the manifesto. I think there's lots to get excited about in there and they reflect true Labour values. I like the idea of a nationalised rail infrastructure. Maybe the job for building the trains could go to the skilled workforce in Derby. I like the idea of us paying more tax to fund social care. I like the idea of putting more money into education instead of cutting funding to schools in order to a go full steam ahead with the free schools in areas that don't need extra places. The only thing that seems to be important to May, is hard Brexit and erm killing foxes? She's not going to deliver. She's not respected and her party offered this country a choice without a clue as to what to do if the country wanted out. They Tories couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery I don't trust May to negotiate a good deal for Britain. I do Corbyn.