To hate new cigarette packs

[MissEDashwood]

Ok so if you're generally anti smoking this thread is possibly not for you.

I'm honestly thinking of making cigarette pack cases of some kind as the images on them are grim. They make my nausea more difficult to deal with but they certainly don't put me off smoking. I always do so outside.

Currently I'm on pack 2 of the person with rotting teeth, before that there was the woman looking like she was heaving blood, the lungs don't bother me, the Liam Gallagher lookalike is just stupid, what moron holds there child and blows smoke over them. There's the one with the guy in the mortuary. Ooh one with wrinkly hands. The eyeball one freaks me out as I hate anything to do with eyes. The cigarette in a syringe doesn't bother me.

Just trying to think of others, oh my favourite was smoking will make you disabled. My Dr has said it's my choice if I smoke, it actually helps with pain, so they're not against it, I wouldn't be magically cured if I stopped.

I guess this is up for debate, but even the cheapest cigarettes are around £7/8 a pack, if you go to Duty Free, they work out to £3 a pack with customers excise and duty. So per pack, bearing in mind Marlboro hit £8 years ago, they were the ones I noticed at £3 a pack for those travelling outside the EU. The government makes a fortune.

People that have never touched a cigarette get ill, just like I have liver disease, I've never been drunk or drunk to excess for personal reasons. It's an autoimmune thing I have attacking all my body.

I just think it's stupid, the warnings were ok but plain packaging is too far. Younger persons I know who smoke generally roll their own. If I was a teenager today I couldn't afford to entertain the idea as in my day they were super cheap.

I watched this customs programme on Sky when I was super bored. For Ireland you're allowed 400 cigarettes, so 20 days worth if you smoke 20 a day. It's not inconceivable that people bring over hauls aren't going to use them themselves. Apparently places like Gran Canaria and even the US sell cigarettes a lot cheaper than here.

I believe the day were born our destiny is sorted so like me with my liver having never really drunk, I don't like the taste of beer / wine / champagne, the latter I thought was going to be really nice but I was shocked how grim it was. I had it with orange once and it was ok. I just think that the money paid in duty must make a considerable contribution to the NHS, so if you've smoked most of your life, you're pretty much paid for your bed for 1 night with 40 packs.

I might be considered ignorant, but they don't put graphic pictures on alcohol, that causes way more issues. I'm sure many poor Dr's and Nurses are frustrated at what they're having to deal with right now.

Ireland has legalised cannabis, I would much rather be on that than morphine. To smoking that you have to put tobacco in I think, I don't know how it works.

Are any smokers with me on the pictures.

I know it's not a good habit, I know people will say this is merely an excuse, but it helps me keep my sanity.

I don't really want to consider an e-light with the vapour stuff, till more studies are done. Although I've heard people have reactions to them.

That's another picture, someone with a black foot. Yummy

Please don't chop my head off and feed it to the crows.

I'm not sure what your point is.

Smoking will kill you. It will make pretty much every condition you have worse.

I'm 37 and ex smoker and my teeth are fucked, my gums are fucked from smoking.

I wish they were more mire expensive, harder to get. I really hope my kids don't start

The one with YOUR BABY WILL DIE and a couple weeping over a tiny coffin is vile. And I say that as a lifelong non-smoker but as someone who struggled with repeated miscarriages. I did not need to see my colleagues waving that one about.

I love them.

Here in Australia, plain packaging has contributed towards a huge decrease in smoking. Anything that cuts the smoking rate by even one person is a good thing, IMO.

You can't compare it to drinking.

1. Unlike alcohol, nicotine is addictive to everyone.

1. There is no 'harmless' level of smoking, unlike having a glass of wine with dinner.

And I say this as an ex-smoker of 20 a day when I lived in London. Moved back to Australia, where smoking is socially unacceptable, extremely expensive and treated with disgust. Yes, it did make me give up. Best thing I ever did.

Tick - I forgot about that one, I had it once as said to hubby I would ram the pack up his backside if he got something so triggering again. I never smoked during conception / pregnancy / breastfeeding.

I recall being outside at night having a cigarette whilst in hospital, a labouring mother and her mother were chain smoking Don't get me started on smoking over prays.

I know it was waffling, sorry, but I dislike the pictures, I don't think they'll have the desired effect.

I don't think they'll have the desired effect.

Evidence shows that they do.

I hated them when they came out here (and I was a smoker), so I don't blame you. But as part of a multi-pronged approach, they work.

A bit contradictory, but I would love to give up, but right at the moment there's too much stress. Maybe in the future. It's just really hard.

Koala - that's really interesting, I wonder if more people will quit as the prices are getting daft. I said when the price hits £7 I'll stop, then £7.50. Back in the day if smoke the more expensive cigarettes, but now I smoke one of the cheapest.

Sorry to change the subject, but how did you quit?

You're right, it is hard as hell. You have my sympathy there.

If it helps, I was worried that I'd spend the rest of my life secretly craving a cigarette, or wishing I could have one when I was stressed. Or drunk. But nope, not at all. I can genuinely say that about a year after quitting, I never, ever wanted one again.

I went completely cold turkey. One day I woke up with a raging alcohol-and-cigarette hangover and was disgusted with myself. Threw the last pack in the bin and never bought another.

After 3 months with not one smoke, I bought myself tooth-whitening to celebrate. Then I didn't want to ruin it!

Honestly, they're so expensive here in Aus that I could never afford to go back to it. But I wouldn't, even if you paid me.

E cigs are pretty well researched now. Public health England and cancer research support them
I went from 30 a day to an e cig in 24hrs (I smoked for 20 years) and I haven't had a cigarette in 11 months and no urge for one. Honestly wish I had done it years ago, and I bloody loved smoking, I didn't want to quit

Koala - I really hope I have a moment like that. I know a few people who woke up feeling rough, they never touched a cigarette again. It's a bone of contention with hubby, but he doesn't buy them. Has the whitening toothpaste worked? My Dad used to swear by Ajax

PP - sorry I'm crap with names, what strength did you go on. How many times an hour do you suck on it? It there a recommended model? So you literally made the choice not to smoke again, the vaping thing worked a treat?

I went to the dentist and had the Zoom whitening trays custom-made. It cost $$ but was a treat for quitting. Looked so bloody fab that it helped me to never go back!!

Personally, I think quitting smoking is like losing weight. You do it for yourself, when you're ready. It's such a hard thing to do that any amount of someone else nagging is just counterproductive. So tell your DH to sod off.

I went on 18mg liquid and for 24hrs it was literally attached to my face (I picked a day when I wasn't working)
After 24hrs I thought well that's the longest I've ever gone without a cig, I can't smoke now. So I carried on
Tends to be smoked differently to a cig, it's more little and often. So you can have a couple of puffs and pop it away
Loads of stuff in the stop smoking section on here, it's worth a look. Doesn't mean you have to stop now or ever but you can have a read

Oh and I had zoom whitening too! In a year my app says I would have smoked about 11,000 cigarettes and spent £4000

They contributed massively to me giving up OP. I struggled on bravely with them for over a year after moving to Oz....they're just as bad here by the way. But I kept getting affected by them....it eventually got me and I stopped via vaping.

Also the price here is hideous. 22 dollars for the cheapest. That's about 11 or 12 quid a pack!

He just doesn't get that nagging will not work. As with other stuff he moans or used to moan about, I generally don't bite, unless it's to defend a ban from electronics concerning either/both DC.

Will put some serious thought into it, as just got a bill from iTunes, DS needs a word as I've got a bloody £50 bill. So that's nearly £100 spent on Roblox. He's got his thumbprint on my phone so that's how's he's managing it.

I did have one, the vaping things, but I blew it trying to refill it.

Do you live near Bondi? My heart has been broken, Kerrbox has a gorgeous Swedish GF

I disagree with you on every single point. If you are making an informed choice to smoke (I think it is a stupid and selfish choice but you're entitled to make it) and I assume you're aware of the health consequences of smoking, so a picture of the likely results on the pack should cause no objection.

I just think that the money paid in duty must make a considerable contribution to the NHS, so if you've smoked most of your life, you're pretty much paid for your bed for 1 night with 40 packs.

It is impossible to calculate the costs in a straightforward manner as to whether the tax paid by smokers pays for their treatment. What about days off sick caused by smoking related illness? A smoker who dies at 50 of lung cancer will have done so very slowly and painfully and will have required experience medical treatment and possibly social care. Also by dying prematurely their tax contribution stops. In cold monetary terms, no they don't live to claim the state pension, but on the other hand their premature death costs the Exchequer 18 years of tax contributions as their working life has prematurely ended.

Also, how do you factor in the cost of treating the 165,000 odd new cases of illness caused by second hand smoke that pop up every year? Is the tax from your cigarettes going to pay for the treatment of illnesses others have suffered too?

Oh and with my vaping OP, DH got me this one

www.eleafworld.co.uk/istick-pico-e-cigarette-kit-and-e-liquid.html

SO good. Forty quid! Not expensive at all...it's easy to use too. You will be surprised at how decent they are.

I never gave up smoking immediately though. I vaped and smoked for about 6 months. About ten cigs a day bu that was better than 20....then I just woke up one day and had no cigs and thought "I don't want to spend twenty odd dollars on them! I'll manage with my e cig"

And I did and haven't gone back.

AND I've lost weight! Not sure how that works but I got more energy when I stopped smoking totally....and then I did more housework and walked more. Lost a stone I have.

Yep, as Koala says, evidence shows they do have an effect. Australia has led the pack with graphic images on packets and now plain packaging, and our smoking rate has decreased significantly.

Also, consider yourself lucky, because cigarettes cost close to $26 per packet (that's $14GBP). The plan is for them to increase to $40 over the next four years.

I find it difficult to accept that anyone would choose to smoke in 2017, but I find it impossible to accept that someone would smoke and attempt to discredit all evidence of its dangers in 2017. It simply can't be done. If you want to smoke, do so, but don't do it while saying that none of those diseases pictured in the images will happen to you.

Boys - that's the one a family member suggested, not that specific one, but that kind of model with a box. I had the tube version. Thank you, you've made me seriously consider it. It's so much better when someone is saying oh I've had this success, over someone telling you, stop! I like the vanilla flavour, I think I had raspberry ripple too. I bet there's even more flavours now. Do you just take a couple of draws on it when you get a craving?

User - I respect your opinion, I personally don't smoke near others / windows / doors. I'm not saying go out and smoke, it's amazing. I think smokers pay a hell of a lot of tax, when you can guarantee that across the U.K., Dr's & Nurses are struggling to deal with those who are actually ill, because there's persons who have drunk to much or injured themselves falling or in fights. I think some of the pictures are really distasteful, like the child in the coffin.

When it comes to being social, many non smokers will go outside with smokers, should they get ill, they can't really sue Bob because they chose to stand with him. I'd like to believe many are courteous and don't smoke near others. There are exceptions to the rule.

OP, you seem a lost soul anyway when it comes to giving up smoking. My mum died from smoking when I was 16 (after a couple of agonizing years) and you seem on the right path to follow in her footsteps. She died at around the age of 50. Why not crochet a bag for your package if the pictures disturbs you so much? Or tape a paper around the package? Back in those days when my mum smoked, there were no pictures at all. I'm totally for that you pay a disproportionate amount of tax because you might later need to be hospitalized, or some other ex-smoker will and you'll then help to pay for their treatment.

what moron holds there child and blows smoke over them You will be surprised. It was especially rife when I was a kid and even up until 15yrs ago. People still smoke with kids in the house, and car.

One reason, it makes you stink. It really does. The difference I have noticed in my relationship with dh since he quit several weeks ago is massive. We are closer because his smell no longer disgusts me. It doesn't matter how much your brush your teeth/shower, I am pretty sure the stink gets in your pores. And it makes the soft furnishings stink too.

Gross.

OP, I forgot to mention that my mum (who died when I was 16) also had autoimmune diesease. That's what did her in due to her smoking I believe. Her heart didn't manage both the autoimmune disease and the heavy smoking and she got a heart attack (her third) and died at around 50 years old.

Good luck!

Different my OH has started smoking again I it's decreased his attractiveness level. I'm so disappointed. I thought we had both got rid of them.

Glad to hear packages are awful. If it helps someone give up. Seeing the end result with a patient struggling to breath, seeing a leg amputated but still wanting to smoking knowing they risk losing the other leg is heartbreaking. No picture can ever show you what ive see as an end result of smoking. Its 1000 times worse and stays with you.