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When friends try to help...but it doesn't feel like it

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alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 18:48

Firstly I will say, I AM grateful...but the point of this thread is, am I being U to feel a little sad that I feel I'm not always being listened to...

Back story is that I've been signed off sick for some months due to injury. (I'm now not claiming anything.. in fact haven't for a couple of weeks, so no money coming in)
About a month ago I had to attend an assessment to see if I was fit for work... I wasn't able to drive then (due to the injury) so best friend offered to take me. She sat in on assessment with me. She constantly butted in even though I was capable of answering for myself, I'm not ill, as I said, it's an injury. She treated it as a joke, making constant small talk with the assessor.
I got asked the perfectly reasonable question about if I accessed the internet, I replied yes, and friend butted in saying 'oh yes she just sends me pictures of cats all day!'

Firstly it's not at all true, and even if it was, it's not something that she should have said!

Fast forward on to last week as I was now able to drive again (shortish distances)- I took her to a tribunal re her benefits and disability (more affects from long term sickness but I don't want to out here). She wanted me to sit in with her. I only spoke when spoken to, to give my name and to say that it was me that drove her there. A few times I bit my tongue rather than say things (which would have been in her favour, I should add) Thankfully we were told there and then, that she had won and would get her benefits reinstated. Relief all round.

A few days ago I get the letter from my assessment saying I had failed it and should go to the job centre asap as I am fit for work. This wasn't a surprise to me but I feel very vulnerable as I worry I'll be sent for jobs I can't do because I'm still recovering from injury. I know from past experience (I've been on JSA a few times in past briefly, following redundancies) that you can't turn work down or will be sanctioned. So I'm trying to find a job off my own back. I'm still in pain and waiting on hopefully starting physio. I'd already been told it could be another 6 months before I am healed, but I do really, really want to work, obviously I have no choice anyway as ESA stopped paying me.

Anyway, one of the things in the report sent to me (about me) states that 'alltoo sits in her chair uploading pictures of cats to the internet'! I don't know whether to laugh or cry. I can see the funny side but I'm mortified too! She'd be furious if I'd said similar and it had ended up on her files. I just feel, cringe....

Other issue is, that her and another friend are constantly job hunting for me and tagging me in jobs. I didn't ask for help, I spend a few hours a day doing this and have been for weeks (knowing I would not pass assessment, because no one seems to these days.. they are cutting down on esa) but I am grateful to them (friends, I mean).
At the same time, I feel I am not being listened to.
I've said the certain things I can do, eg data entry/office work, that's mainly what I'm applying for. Cashier, etc. Not too physical unlike my old line of work where I was constantly lifting, unloading, sorting etc.

They know the score.. I cannot use my dominant arm except for light duties. I cannot raise it high, I'm ok to drive now, short distances (though it hurts) but I can't raise it to, say , head height. I can't lift anything heavy. Getting dressed still a struggle, etc.
Yet they keep tagging me, publicly on facebook, for eg waitressing jobs, knowing that I'm having to use my non dom arm which I'm quite wobbly and not very dexterous with. I couldn't carry a tray or a water jug one armed as i'd be likely to drop it. Basically every job they've 'found' for me is one where I'd risk never healing.

Also my old line of work was one of bullying culture (several companies but all the same.. ) One company, I had to cover for 95% of the managers as they were on sick leave with nervous breakdowns. I ended up having one too and left. My best friend went through all of this with me. She knows I could never work in that line of work again, let alone that particular company. Yet yesterday she tagged me in a job for that very company. I felt pretty hurt by this but I appreciate I'm maybe being over sensitive right now.

I just feel I gave her so much support, I listened and it's not being returned.
Obviously it's up to me to find a job (I've just done the rounds and blitzed loads of places with CVs as I got sick of applying on line.. maybe it would give me more of a chance if people saw I was being proactive in person) but I feel I can't tell friends to butt out as that would be rude and ungrateful..

Yes I sound really weak but I am still in pain right now and pretty worried.

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alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 18:49

Sorry so long but hate drip feeding

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pipsqueak25 · 03/05/2017 18:58

i think i'd be going back to the gp for a start and get some pain relief sorted out and some medical advice, a sick note perhaps ? then i'd speak to job centre again about your difficulties with view to being reassessed, and most importantly losing this person from your life asap. she's no friend, in any respect.

alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 19:05

Right now, I don't have a doctor. As just changed practises as I moved.
Tomorrow is my new patient appointment but from what I can gather, it could be very rushed! As they have a lot to cover. But I will mention what I can, I'm going to make a list.
I can't get a sick note as ESA have put in writing they will no longer be paying me as I am fit for work following their verdict (of assessment). So my last payment two weeks ago was my very last one.
I feel really anxious as have like £20 left on my overdraft to survive on.
DP is away and I cannot ask him to lend me any more. I feel humilated.. I've always worked, and now not worked since xmas due to having a stupid fall to dizzy spells and ended up with bad shoulder fracture. Of course had to be dom arm
She HAS been a good friend so I'm disappointed. It;s out of character for her. Like, she's relieved, she is signed off and getting it all backdated.
I can't get that help and am declared fit whether am or not.
I'd better speak to job centre but I am pretty sure no allowances will be made.. if you are declared fit for work you have to apply for anything inc what they have on the boards there

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pipsqueak25 · 03/05/2017 19:10

why can't you ask dp to help you is there a problem with that ? are they aware of the situation ? if not you need to get them on side, perhaps speak to cba too for advice.
she HAS been a good friend in the past but now it looks like she's pulling up the ladder.
i hope someone comes along who can help you more with this oneFlowers.

alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 19:15

I just hate borrowing money :( I've just had to borrow from him to pay bank fees on my overdraft.
I find it hard as always been independent. He can't really afford to support two, it's not his fault. If he lends me then it makes it hard for him. I'll ask him as last resort..
I'm waiting for a little bit of money to trickle in from a bit of data entry i did at home for a friend (not when I was claiming - in last couple of weeks) but i don't know when her company will pay me so I'm stuck

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Jengnr · 03/05/2017 19:16

You need to claim JSA. Even if you were sanctioned (and if your jobsearch is as described you wouldn't be) you'd be in the position you're in now.

Pm me if you want any advice re this. I work in that area.

alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 19:17

Friend DOES deserve what she's getting and it's getting backdated.
She's going on about the holiday she will have etc.. and on one hand I am pleased for her as she was so very sick last year.. on the other hand, I think I've now got this shit about cats on my files!

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alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 19:19

thanks Jengnr. I've put off going but I know I need to get down there.. do they make any allowances for injury? if someone is declared fit? Can i bring a doctors letter to the job centre saying i can only do certain work?
I really DO want to work. I hate not working, Im bored and obviously am desperate.
But I'm just scared they might send me for warehouse work , anythng with lifting eg carework etc..

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yellowfrog · 03/05/2017 19:22

Can you also appeal their ruling? I gather most appeals succeed

pipsqueak25 · 03/05/2017 19:23

contact the esa board again and ask for a reconsideration assessment, and perhaps you could contact dwp for advice, esa seems to be cut for the minor infractions it seems, it's hard to believe it was cut because of the throwaway comment about cat photos, there will be more to the 'rejection' than just that.

alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 19:28

I don't want to appeal it because by then it would be many months since I had the injury. And of course that's expected to heal, but they don't care about the setbacks I've had with it (eg I reinjured it)
Also plenty of people work with missing limbs, eg amputees, so I'd feel a fraud really.
I just want it to get better, it's so slow and frustrating
I had daily migraines too due to the medication i was on.. I've now taken myself off it and feel loads better... ESA noted that in the report (before I was off the meds) but I still got zero points

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Plainlycrackers · 03/05/2017 19:29

I keep thinking of all sorts of cliches to say... with friends like these... etc etc but I feel your pain and hope you find a way forward... I would go for JSA and very calmly explain... in graphic detail the injury and what limitations it.puts upon you but be otherwise keen to work which seems to be the truth... but first find the setting that means that friends can't tag you without you previewing the post first and can't post on your timeline either... some people just can't seem to stay within reasonable boundaries so you have to enforce them! Good luck OPFlowers

alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 19:29

but if not rushed tomorrow I will try and tell new doctor what I can, but it's not a consultation really, it's New Patient sign up

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alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 19:29

well, check up, i guess they'd book me in for blood tests etc
DP just had his but he said it was rushed so I shoudlnt expect to go into detail about my issues

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alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 19:34

thankyou, Plainly.
DP and I were trying to see the funny side of the cat incident but it also pees me off because what if i were ever unfortunate enough to have to claim again? I mean no one knows what is round the corner. Now it's on my files that I sit sending cat pics yet have not been working! I don't think anyone would even believe, I NEVER use my phone for internet. I am no addict..I use home PC only and for a quite short time a day. Grrr!!

What stings I guess, is awful company that gave me (and many others) a breakdown. And she said I should apply for a job there (branch near her). 'Oh I pop in there sometimes they are nice people'. Yes staff might be nice but I'm looking at the company as a whole. I tried to explain to her, they standardise all their branches over the UK. They are all run the same . I was there when they rolled it out (the standardisation). So they won't have changed since I was there. There will still be the bullying and humiliation culture if not worse. And friend was pretty much, beggars can't be choosers..at least you know them... yeh all that crap for a min wage job she wouldn't get out of bed for. I'd happily get out of bed for a min wage job.. as before.. just not there.

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hackmum · 03/05/2017 19:59

Your friend sounds dreadful. What she did was not funny and in your place I would be furious.

Chippednailvarnishing · 03/05/2017 20:57

She's not your friend, she's your frenemy.

alltoomuchrightnow · 03/05/2017 21:34

Thanks for the replies. I was thinking it was me being oversensitive (as I am v prone to be.. I have bad anxiety and depression) and I was taking things to heart.
It's annoying that it's now there in black and white when as I said, I don't even use my phone for internet!
I go on Fb a few times a day and that's it.
It puts me in a bad light like I just sit there all day doing nothing.
This has not been the case. DP has been away with work loads so I've been alone. I've had to do so much with my non dom arm...and ended up using bad arm hence it wasn't healing. I've not been lazy. I walk for 1-2 hours a day no matter how crap I feel. Friend never leaves her sofa. She could work now but told me she doesn't want to because of stress (due to her teenager being a teenager, basically)

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alltoomuchrightnow · 04/05/2017 13:35

Last night I told friend what was on my report, and she just laughed it off. Despite everything, I thought she'd be horrified if she knew her remark had been taken like that.
But no, it's funny Hmm

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Shedmicehugh · 04/05/2017 13:39

Appeal their decision?

Shedmicehugh · 04/05/2017 13:54

Oh sorry, seen you don't want to appeal. If you did you have 30 days to do it.

Sending cat pictures would not have affected your entitlement to ESA?

alltoomuchrightnow · 04/05/2017 14:31

I know it doesn't affect it, it's just embarrassing! and not true.
It's the whole picture really... I was so supportive in her tribunal etc and her months of appealing for DLA (very different story to mine..she was extremely sick last year).
She seemed to treat my assessment like a joke.

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Chippednailvarnishing · 04/05/2017 14:49

You need to stand up for yourself and tell her she is out of order and appeal the decision.
Why are you willing to let her dismiss the consequences of her actions on your life.

Shedmicehugh · 04/05/2017 14:56

Oh sorry I thought you were implying that if it hadn't been for your friends comments, you might have been awarded it!

DLA does your friend have a disability and maybe cannot help but to make inappropriate comments?

alltoomuchrightnow · 04/05/2017 16:39

she has no mental health problems, no. Purely physical.
And it's out of character for her.
She just dropped her guard and was being chatty and jokey but it was my assessment, my assessor, she kept adding her bit, unnecessary

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