To Think the Tories Are STILL At War With The Disabled?

[JoffreyBaratheon]

As parent of a disabled child, this is what I'm preoccupied with, during a General Election...

Under Cameron and Osborne, and iDS - it was clear the tories were engaging in an all out war on the disabled. Cuts to benefits, and services and of course, the loathed and disgusting PIP replacing DLA...

But what has strong and stable (well, weak an unstable) Theresa May done to reverse the damage? Nothing, so far as I can see.

My son had DLA for life and by some miracle, managed to get PIP but will now have to re-apply in five years. If the tories have the cure for autism and it is going to be made available in 5 years - fair enough. But something tells me - they haven't. We were put through months of hell for that.

Other disabled people and their carers have far worse stories.

Now I might be stupid but I can't see what May has done to address the callous culture of PIP. She is still attacking the disabled. Or am I missing something and AIBU?

I think this should be enough to lose them the election. The fact they have attacked disabled people to the extent they have. Am I the only one not to be hoodwinked by this 'I'm only a vicar's daughter' BS? What she has done to the disabled is the least 'christian' thing I can think of and I want her held to account for it. Anyone else?

and yy, when you're a fulltime carer, theres no holidaysd, no company car, no holidays, no bank holidays, no bonuses, hardly any tea breaks, no Sabbath (as in rest day), no sick notes or sick pay or sick time off.....

and while Im not complaining about that specifically, DC's worth it at the end of the day, its what these people we are in thrall to that don't think of any of these things.

Re. public transport Dawndonna. Just seen this.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/969842/stagecoach-driver-refused-to-take-grief-stricken-blind-man-home-from-granddads-funeral-because-of-his-guide-dog/

The Tories got in again in 2010 They didnt implement PIP until 2013 Now why do you think that is? Why not 2011? Or 2012.

TWENTY TWELVE. I will tell you why they didnt implement it until 2013.

Because they didnt want the way they were treating the disabled to get into the press or on social media in the run up to and during the London Paralympics of 2012.

Because that would not have looked good at all.

So not only do they attack the disabled They are sly with it as well

HelenaDove - crikey I didn't even think of that.

I don't know how people can survive simply on Carer's Allowance. It's a pittance.
I am upset that people are now having their Motability cars taken away from them because of PIP. The people who are still entitled to Motability cars now have hardly any choice because God forbid people with disabilities should have a nice car.

God forbid people with disabilities should have a nice car. [when others don't have a car or have an old one that they bought themselves....]

Ah the "ive been mugged so my disabled neighbour should be mugged too" brigade has joined the thread.

"mugged" or 'treated like a mug'.

We saved and pay a lot of money for our "nice cars". If we couldn't afford them then we would have less nice cars or fewer nice cars. If we couldn't afford that, we'd use public transport. If we couldn't afford that, we'd walk ... do you see where I'm going with the argument. I'm saying that people on this thread who are living off the state use the word 'entitled' a lot, and that seems to be how they feel.

24hour you get a basic car with motability.

You used to be able to save up and pay a lot on top for a nice car and now cant.

Why shouldn't disabled people pay for nice cars.

DlA and PIP are not means tested benefits and many people work on them.

The sort of stuff you are saying is straight out of daily Mail, in fact they have had to apologise before..in tiny print in page 23..for saying people get given BMWs for kids with mild ADHD.

Please.educate yourself.

To be in receipt of Motability car the benefits you are in are not "out of work' or "living on state" benefits they are to help people meet the costs of living with or yes working with disabilities and create an EQUAL playing field.

A car is to help them get around. It's a lease scheme and actually not very cheap. With a basic car provided, which is fsir ebough, but that you now can subsidise out of your OWN money for a better one,like you are a second class citizen now.

Get down off the high horse.

*Now can NOT subsidise

Anyway anyone who ppsts that disabled people are "entitled" is automatically vile of view.

Yes they are entitled. Entitled to the same standard of living as anyone else and an equal playing field.

Yes, I see where you are going with the argument ...

Disabled people should walk
Those who can't walk should crawl
Those who can't crawl should just die

so that you can save all your money for your own "nice cars"
and not be "treated like a mug"

You're all right, Jill.

Anyway anyone who ppsts that disabled people are "entitled" is automatically vile of view.

Try reading again. I said that it's all the people on this thread who are living off the state who use the word 'entitled' about themselves.

You also need to make your mind up. If you use the word entitled you have vile views, but you then make a list of things people are entitled to. Quite confusing.

You used to be able to save up and pay a lot on top for a nice car and now can't.

Because if you have the ability to save up for a nice car, you shouldn't be taking money from the state when others are more deserving.

No you should.

Because the motability scheme is to create an equal playing field.

If you dont have a belief in equality for disabled people fhat is fundamentally wrong.

Anyway as i said on several other threads ive had enough of bickering with Tories.

It actually makes me feel queasy to talk to them and doesnt achieve anything.

So this is my last election related post for a good while.

I receive no means tested benefits and am working.

Your posts reveal you have a view of benefits claimants as an underclass.

I dont really want to understand why you think that and have no interest in conversing with you.

Much like i don't go deliberately snelling a shit in real life.

Have a good albeit nasty minded life.

My point is about non-means tested benefits, clearly. Surely your Oxbridge education taught you to read carefully?

You are lucky to have the option of using public transport or walking.

The nhs is a non-means tested benefit

So 24hrtrainer presumably saves up and pays for private healthcare (as I do) for their family so that they aren't benefit claimants living off my taxes

This thread is giving us great insight into how safe the disabled and the nhs will be, under the Tories.
What they really thinks, under all the political platitudes, about the disabled and those on benefits

"holding their hands out for the next cheque"

Hallo Theresa, welcome to Mumsnet !

Gosh, we're all so envious of disabled people and their big cheques
Everyone wants to be disabled, don't they

Instead of holding your hands out for the next cheque

Thanks for this. People are generally more savvy these days, couching their speech in the language of civility. It isn't often that we get to see the true nature of hostility towards the less fortunate.

I have read part of the thread but not all, so apologies if I am repeating.

Please can someone give me accurate figures as to whether the number of new claims is going up or down compared to 5 years ago and compared to 15 years ago? Thanks

So 24hrtrainer presumably saves up and pays for private healthcare

Yes, including both births. I do however think that prescriptions should be means-tested. We delayed TTC for DD1 so that we could afford it without eating into savings and to have a buffer in case something was wrong with me or our child.

You see, despite being a floating voter but tending towards Conservatives (or queasy-making Tory scum), I think that this is because of a realistic view of society and having seen time and time again that any government or any political persuasion needs to decide where it spends its money and how it redistributes wealth.

I hate the idea of a disabled person driving a naice car that they've had partially funded by the government when they're working for a good salary whilst there are people who are sleeping rough or when there isn't enough funding for groundbreaking treatment or expensive cancer drugs for sick children.

It has nothing to do with hating the disabled, it's about understanding that sadly not everything can be funded. Corbyn is an idiot so we can ignore him as an anomaly but Blair and Brown who I voted for initially were very clever but still overspent, mis-judged the economy, didn't grasp the effect that PFI would have on the NHS, couldn't comprehend that 50% of the population attending uni isn't in the best interests for anyone and the effects of these misjudgements are still being felt now.

Hallo Theresa, welcome to Mumsnet!

That isn't quite as clever and cutting as you may imagine. I'll quote the late, great Hitchens.

Mother Teresa was not a friend of the poor. She was a friend of poverty. She said that suffering was a gift from God. the sadistic nun saw beauty in suffering, and refused to medicate those in pain because suffering would bring the afflicted “closer to God.” She spent her life opposing the only known cure for poverty, which is the empowerment of women and the emancipation of them from a livestock version of compulsory reproduction.

And she was a friend to the worst of the rich, taking misappropriated money from the atrocious Duvalier family in Haiti (whose rule she praised in return) and from Charles Keating of the Lincoln Savings and Loan. Where did that money, and all the other donations, go?

Many more people are poor and sick because of the life of Mother Teresa: Even more will be poor and sick if her example is followed. She was a fanatic, a fundamentalist, and a fraud, and a church that officially protects those who violate the innocent has given us another clear sign of where it truly stands on moral and ethical questions.

David Cameron claimed DLA for his son (which I have no problem with) but how does that sit with you?
Unless you are a multi millionaire you did not save up enough to cover the costs if there had been something wrong with your child.

Unless you are a multi millionaire you did not save up enough to cover the costs if there had been something wrong with your child.

Not quite multi, but we own our two homes outright and one could have been sold to put us in that category. You're getting very personal now though.

I'm not arguing for dismantling the NHS and in fact said that "I hate the idea of a disabled person driving a naice car that they've had partially funded by the government when they're working for a good salary whilst there are people who are sleeping rough or when there isn't enough funding for groundbreaking treatment or expensive cancer drugs for sick children."

but how does [Cameron's DLA claim] sit with you?

Badly.

Tony Blair lied to Parliament and took our country to war. How does that sit with you? Admittedly mine is even more of a red herring than your question, but neither people are in public office. One broke the law and should face trial.

No party is perfect and no one is perfect.

I just get quite tired of hearing 'Tory scum', 'they hate the disabled', 'they kill the poor' (or is it hate the poor and kill the disabled, I can never remember which)etc blady blady blah. I think that tarring a huge swathe of the population with a brush like that shows real bigotry and ignorance and honestly, I struggle to give a fuck about bigots whatever their personal circumstances.

If I wasn't so thick skinned I think I'd find it really hurtful. I am intelligent and kind and thoughtful and, as I've said a few times, am a floating voter.

I think the "anyone but Tory" rhetoric is nasty nonsense and shows a lack of ability to understand anyone's ideas except your own. One of the tired and boring things I heard a few times after the council elections was how the Cons. had become racist to get the UKIP voters, ignoring the fact that Labour lost voters to UKIP as well as seeing them come back; especially in the N. of England.

A lot of the issues people have with them is underfunding 'their' cause yet they fail to realise that the economic mess is due to Labour and it is impossible to give everyone what they want. Whilst trying to get the country back in the black, I don't for a second believe in non-means tested PIP and JSA. That money could be better spent on those who who fall below a certain level and need the money more. I think the benefits being handed out by the previous government were unsustainable and needed to be changed. PIP may not be perfect but nor were previous schemes.