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Madammim17 · 24/04/2017 11:31

DS is just over 12 months old. Ex of seven years left me five months into my pregnancy and, after two months of abusive and horrible messages from his family and absolutely nothing good from him, I've not heard a thing from any of them since. DS and I have a lovely little life together, he goes to nursery while I work full time and even though money is tight, we have lots of family and friends close by so DS is absolutely surrounded by positivity and love.

This weekend I received a message from ex's mum (took me a while to realise who it was all I'd blocked and deleted all numbers so she obviously got a new one) telling me that ex has decided that he wants to meet DS and I have no right to stop him and that they all have a right to see DS. I haven't responded, but my first initial knee-jerk reaction was to type out a furious message saying who in their right mind would allow somebody who actively chose to not be involved in their child's life anywhere near them?!

Am I being unreasonable to tell them to sod the fuck off and to stay away from DS?

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TupperwareTat · 24/04/2017 13:26

I would ignore for now.

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JaneEyre70 · 24/04/2017 13:27

Take some legal advice and change your number. It's not come from him, it's come from his Mother - he may not even be aware she's done it.

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Madammim17 · 24/04/2017 13:28

Sedona That's exactly how I feel.

BurningBright That's a good positive story to hear and I'm glad it's worked out well. I don't think my ex would make that much of an effort, his dad only stayed 'for the kids' and was hailed a hero for it but it was obvious that he stayed because he knew having to see the kids outside of the family home would have been too much hard work, and I feel that he would be the same.

HappyFlappy Hahaha I wish there was such a thing! You could be right, though it does make me feel very wary because there's been so much done to block and hide all aspects of my life, and I'm always aware out in public for people who could say something so yeah, been fortunate up until now it seems Confused

user and peanut great posts, thank you

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Madammim17 · 24/04/2017 13:30

LilacPoint I really hope he wouldn't but that is the fear Sad At the time they were asking what I'd tell my son when he found out I was 'depriving' him and 'preventing' them, and my response was I'd always tell him the truth and I mean that completely, but I'm scared he wouldn't understand and would hate me for trying to protect him.

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TryingToFigureItAllOut · 24/04/2017 13:33

Yes make him work for it OP (if it is him instigating this) and respond that he is welcome to apply for contact through the courts which will include child maintenance payments being made.

I would certainly not let him (or his family) have casual contact without a court order in place due to their history of being abusive.

You have not created this situation, he has, so any guilt is misplaced Flowers.

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Aeroflotgirl · 24/04/2017 13:35

Oh yes, its come from ex mum, not him! So don't worry, she has no rights over your child. If ex wants contact with your child, he can apply to court, and make an effort. If he does not, that will tell you all you need to know.

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Aeroflotgirl · 24/04/2017 13:37

If ex makes no effort with trying to gain contact himself to his child via court, then you tell your child the truth when he is old enough to understand and deal with the information. this is coming from his mum, so ignore it, or text or message her saying, that her son has to go through court if he wants contact.

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Hissy · 24/04/2017 13:38

the good news Madammim17 is that you know now that the apple has not fallen far from the tree.

absolutely ignore her and block her.

The DS will hate you line is what all abusive and manipulative people say when they want you to do what they want, knowing you don't want to have actually don't have to. this is classic.

Your involvement with this nasty piece of work that is your DS father has created a fear response triggered by his equally vile mother.

A normal person would apologise for her son's treatment, would ask how they could help and work with you to have some contact, heck, they might even offer to help pay for the stuff their son hasn't bothered to step up to so far.

You don't have to do anything you dont want to and I am as sure as I can be that this probably won't go to court.

If this continues, you can always ask 101 for advice if the messages are abusive/threatening.

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Hissy · 24/04/2017 13:38

the good news Madammim17 is that you know now that the apple has not fallen far from the tree.

absolutely ignore her and block her.

The DS will hate you line is what all abusive and manipulative people say when they want you to do what they want, knowing you don't want to have actually don't have to. this is classic.

Your involvement with this nasty piece of work that is your DS father has created a fear response triggered by his equally vile mother.

A normal person would apologise for her son's treatment, would ask how they could help and work with you to have some contact, heck, they might even offer to help pay for the stuff their son hasn't bothered to step up to so far.

You don't have to do anything you dont want to and I am as sure as I can be that this probably won't go to court.

If this continues, you can always ask 101 for advice if the messages are abusive/threatening.

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gillybeanz · 24/04/2017 13:41

Just as above and to put your mind at rest, let nursery know who is to collect. Just confirm your agreement and let them know that although a slight chance your batty ex mil or her son might try.

I'm sure they won't but better to be sure.

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LilacPoint · 24/04/2017 13:41

OP your son will thank you for not aborting him, for caring for him 100%, and that means protecting him from some bloke who allows his mother to badger you for contact after a year of nothing. Some people have parents, some people have a parent. Dc is the latter and will be a great person because of him and you.

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BadKnee · 24/04/2017 13:43

If I knew that the one chance of a relationship with a father I might love and who might love me had been blocked by my mother I would never forgive her.

In my own extended family we are dealing with a similar issue from 50 years ago. The legal battles over money, wills, damage etc by a woman who blocked her Ex from contact are drawn out, expensive and horrible.

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sleepthiefsmum · 24/04/2017 13:48

Wait what, so she basically messaged you verbally attacking you demanding that he see's his son?
I personally would ignore the message completely! How bloody dare she? She didn't even give you the opportunity to say anything before telling you your son will hate you?!

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LilacPoint · 24/04/2017 13:49

BadKnee, in OPs case the father did not want the child to be born.

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Aeroflotgirl · 24/04/2017 13:53

Badknee this messaging is not coming from the father, but his mother! He can go through court to gain contact, op is preventing nothing! You have a rose tinted view of this man, as it does not appear that he is bothered about having a relationship with his son, or he would get his finger out and make an effort, and prove to op that he can be the father his son deserves! But he is not, mummy is doing his dirty work, that is not acceptable!

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Madammim17 · 24/04/2017 14:09

BadKnee I didn't need to block as he did it himself, I told him at the time that if he didn't want to be involved then he had to stick to that decision and stay away and he couldn't even give a straight answer to that. This is a 'man' with a nice guy mentality, like those who think a girl should fancy them because they're not a player etc, but in his case it's that he appears so laid back and lovely but he's lazy and spiteful with it. This is me putting it mildly because his behaviour when he left was appalling and completely shocked me.

sleepthiefsmum It was along the lines of this has gone on far too long, we have a right to know him etc, if you stop us he'll hate you, you've already acted like a bad mother by not letting us see him etc.

hissy I pointed out a lot of this to them at the time, obviously fell on deaf ears but then there's no arguing with assholes.

LilacPoint thank you that's really lovely of you to say.

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TheDevilMadeMeDoIt · 24/04/2017 14:09

I'm not sure ignoring the text is the right thing to do. IF Ex has said to his DM that he wants to see his son, and IF it came to court, not replying could be interpreted as you being obstructive.

I'd be inclined to go for 'If [Ex] wants to see DS I'm sure we can arrange something. However in the best interests of our child I think it should be a formal arrangement . I am happy for my solicitor to contact [Ex] and get the ball rolling'

However the danger with bringing legal representation into the discussion (although I do think in this case it's necessary) is that it ups the ante and may exacerbate his mother's behaviour towards you.

It's a tough one.

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Madammim17 · 24/04/2017 14:10

Aeroflotgirl More good advice, thank you!

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Madammim17 · 24/04/2017 14:23

TheDevil That seems dreadfully unfair that by ignoring a text from ex's mum, I could look bad in the eyes of a court Sad

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Mombie2016 · 24/04/2017 14:24

Had a similar situation myself.

ExH abandoned me during my pregnancy, never contributed a penny and he and his family ignored me. Until a week before my due date when his Mum turned up crying. Bullied me into allowing ExH at the birth... I said only if he talks to me first, he's ignored me for months. He turned up the next day drunk as fuck screaming at me. They both turned up at the birth a few days later Angry

He was around for 7 weeks. Then disappeared. As did his family. His mother rolled up again when DS was 7 months old, crying again, admitting she'd forced ExH to be there, that he'd disappeared (something he does regularly) that she'd found proof he'd been lying (basically he'd started mediation when DS was 6 months but only went to one appointment then stopped cooperating but had told his Mum I wasn't cooperating Hmm) that she wants to see Grandson and doesn't care what ExH is upto, that he's not fit to be a parent anyway cos she'd found drugs and loads of empty whiskey bottles in his bedroom, she'd been through his FB and found loads of proof of other stuff too. For example he wasn't paying her board because CMS were taking half his wages... Utter bollocks she found all the enforcement letters because he's not paid (still hasn't, it's been 14 months and he's doing a great job of dodging it)

Anyway soft twat here says okay you can see DS, once a week, at my house, with my supervision for a few hours.

She came 6 times. And then went back to pretending DS didn't exist. Because ExH had suddenly reappeared after a 10 week abscence.

I never got an explanation from her.

Like Worra suggests to you, I made sure all my interaction was reasonable and documented. I bent over backwards in fact.

Should they ever darken my doorstep again I'll point them to court where I will fight tooth and nail to keep them away.

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Mombie2016 · 24/04/2017 14:28

So in short - she has zero rights, even if your ex was in BC Grandparents don't have rights unless it's exceptional circs which this isn't. She's got a fucking nerve talking to you like that after so long.

If he wants to see his child he will contact you directly.

Let him take it to court. If he's bothered he will do it. If not then he won't.

You don't owe them shit.

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BurningBright · 24/04/2017 14:30

TheDevilMadeMeDoIt - I don't think the courts would be interested in the OP ignoring a rude text from a former MIL. Ignoring a text from the OP's ex, yes, that could be perceived as obstructive. But until the OP's ex actually makes a request to have contact with the son, there is nothing worth responding to.

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ratspeaker · 24/04/2017 14:34

BadKnee if theOPs ex was really concerned and wanting to see his child he could have arranged and paid for a contact centre in the last YEAR
He would also have been paying something towards the care and support of his child without cms involvement.

As it is this man and his family are strangers to the wee bairn

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Madammim17 · 24/04/2017 14:37

Mombie2016 My god, that's absolutely awful! You poor thing, I can't believe they turned up at the birth! My parents (mum was my birth partner) were ready to turn into attack Rottweilers at the possibility of that happening and luckily it never did, but that must have been so terrible to deal with. What a pair of assholes, sounds like you are both well rid. I take it you and DS are happy and settled? I feel the same way as you in terms of fighting tooth and nail to be honest; I don't see how anybody can just suddenly 'change' their mind about wanting to care about or love their own child after wanting nothing to do with them Hmm

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megletthesecond · 24/04/2017 14:39

I'd ignore but get your ducks in a row in case he does try to formalise contact.


Off the top of my head citizens advice bureau, Gingerbread and rights of women may have some good legal advice for you.

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