Accidentally pregnant so will I get tax credits when partner has another child ??

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So I am pregnant due to a double contraception failure and I'm confused about the tax credit rules. I have a child and this will be my second but my partner has a child with another woman.
The website said i wouldn't get help if this is the third child were responsible for but the child my partner doesn't live here so does it count as this pregnancy being the third ?? Or would this be the second as my partners other child doesn't live with us ??

Unlike others I do not see the changes to TCs as a negative

That's nice. Are you affected by the changes in any way?

The bottom line is that the welfare state is a safety net. It;'s not a magic money tree. People struggling along trying to make ends meet and making a decision to have only one or two children. And then irresponsible people making a choice to have a large family and opt not to work because no job will possibly pay them as much as their tax free benefits.

This would make wonderful, perfect sense if it wasn't for the fact that the period of time you are on about is pre mid 1980's, and tax credits didn't come in til 2003. So many people survived on low pay with high house prices and NO TAX CREDITS from the mid 1980's to 2003 when tax credits came about.

Goodness me, user. You do sound cross. Before working tax credits, there were Working Families Tax Credits and, prior to that, Family Credit (from approx mid 80s) so there has been a long culture of topping up wages. Prior to the mid-80s (or, as you would put it, 'the time you are on about') people received tax allowances, eg. the 'married man's allowance' pre-dated Family Credit, so a man with spouse/children would pay less tax than a single man. So, the name of the benefit may have changed but some kind of support has been in existence for a significant time.

If people would step off their left wing high horse for a minute, they would realise I am correct in everything I say.
Yes, dear, of course you are.

Brilliant post Pencils Totally agree and im childfree by choice.

For people with no children all they had to protect them were the Wages Councils which were abolished in 1993. When i was signing on in the late 90s there were frequently jobs advertised that were £50 a week (full time office admin) £1.50 an hour etc, My rent then was £48 a week and NO HELP at all for those without kids. Working Tax Credit changed this for the better for many childless poorer people. They were at last, treated like they mattered.

Hi op. I've not read the full thread but you will get tax credits for your second child. I'm assuming the mother of your stepchild claims for them (if she's entitled) and you claim for your child. Its two children per claim/households that you're entitled to tax credits for. So with this child being the second in your household (living there full time) then yes, you get tax credits for them.

Pencils, do we have to be personal affected by anything to have a view on it?

I'm not gay. I'm pro gay rights. I'm not an animal. I have an opinion on how they are treated. I don't claim TCs. I think they bloated and complicated the welfare state up to the point of it being unmanageable, kept wages low, acted as an incentive to have multiple children and ultimately were cruel. TCs are the ultimate poverty trap.

This thread has dissolved into what looks like poor family bashing and it wasn't intended that way at least by me.

This pregnancy is very accidental and apart from abstinence there is very little that I could of done to prevent it.

I know some people have very heated views on tax credits but I work 38 hours a week and have a child so I literally am not able to work any more so without tax credits it would be very tricky for us living in London where my family is.

lakehouse what a cunty post .

Some of you have NO IDEA of peoples circumstances but hey , let's kick the OP when she is down .. Seems the In thing on Mums Net !!!!

Also I wonder how many of you Holier than Thou bitches would say what you say to somebodies face ?? Not many I imagine

Good Luck in your pregnancy OP

it also became open to abuse, as family after family decided to have more and more children, because they knew they would get mammoth handouts in tax credits for it.

Mammoth handouts? Tax credits work out what, 60 quid a week per child? Raising a child costs so much more than that so anyone popping out kids for extra money (maybe one or two people in the whole country would be that stupid) is quite pointless. Mine cost as hell of a lot more than 60 quid a week now and god knows what the cost will be when they are teenagers and start eating like horses.

I agree that tax credits should really be abolished totally. However, wages need to rise first and provision needs to be made for those who can't work also. Just taking away is going to cause massive distress.

Honestly OP I wish you and your family all the luck in the future. London is dauntingly expensive and you're doing everything physically possible to work and be a Mum.

MN likes to kick you when you're down and likes to cause problems that aren't even there. Rise above it and be happy. Think of all those new squishy cuddles you'll be getting this time next year x