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Would it BU to quit my job after this incident?

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FriedPisces · 14/04/2017 19:25

This is going to be v v long but I am hoping one or two people might read it. I've had the most horrible fallout with a colleague today that has left me shaken and very upset.

Background - been unhappy at work for about a year now. Lots and lots of reasons. I stay because we need the money. It's a male workplace with the usual "banter" that working with (some) males can bring. (Have posted before about being called Treacle Tits by our main supplier for example). Company is small, we are an office of 15 but most of the staff are on the road. Head office is in another town a short flight away. Also quite small. Complaints about each other from what I have seen are handled with bitching and moaning to each other and "sucking it up."

Nothing ever gets reported officially because there is no HR department.

So I'm unhappy, actively looking for something else, getting rejected at interview stage. (Possibly because I've lost the ability to sell myself because I don't feel valued in current role.)

In my office there is usually (but not always) me, the branch boss and my male colleague, S. He is senior to me but not my boss. We have fallen out once before, because of a similar incident to today.

Today:
Upon entering the office I was immediately told by S that I needed to provide some information to L in head office regarding an item that was hired by a colleague. He had gone through my documents and been unable to find the relevant bit. (This is because it wasn't ordered by me.) I asked when the job was done, he told me with a definite note of annoyance that he didn't know. I was then told that paperwork should have been sent up for two jobs having previously been told I didn't have to send. He also said that all paperwork from March should have been sent. I explained (calmly I thought) that I send paperwork twice a week so all March papers will be in head office. I was interrupted by S several times and unable to get my point across in a complete way. It was strongly suggested that he didn't care about that as it was out of his remit. I admit that this was mildly frustrating but at no point did I lose my temper. The manner in which these requests were presented to me were with a definite edge of annoyance. I genuinely felt that his annoyance was with "work" and misread it because he was actually annoyed with me. In my attempts to get my point across and being consistently spoken over I said, in an attempt to be jovial about it "Aargh! I'm getting annoyed now!" I never told him I was annoyed with him. I misread the situation and when I said "I'm annoyed, it's annoying" S seemingly took it that I was annoyed at him. Crossed wires I guess, I didn't realise he was angry with me, he didn't realise that I WASN'T angry with him. His temper absolutely exploded at that point. "I tell you what, Fried, don't fucking go off at me, I tell you fucking now-" and the rest was cut off by a door slam with such force that the windows rattled in their frames. I was shaken and upset. At this point I called the MD to ask her what information she needed as the info from S wasn't clear. I was very upset at this point and struggled to compose myself in time for S to arrive back into the office. I did manage to find the information that MD needed and proceeded to catch up with some orders. S returned and the anger was still palpable. I went to the kitchen area to do some work as I didn't feel comfortable being in the same room as him while he was so angry and I was upset.
Once I had composed myself I asked him if he would like tea. He declined. When I returned from making my own tea I said the following:
"I wasn't going off at you. I was cross because L had asked you-"
S interrupted and shouted over me. "Well is L here now? No, so I'm the one who fucking gets bitched at. I'm sick of the way you speak to me. I am always fucking fair to you. The way you speak to me is always fucking out of order."
I tried to reply. "Right. Sorry. Is there any point in me trying to explain?"
"No. I'm still too fucking angry."
I turned away and went back to my work, breaking briefly to go outside to drink a mug of tea. I did this outside because I did not feel comfortable in the office when he was so angry. I did not feel safe actually. I have never made anyone quite as angry.
Around an hour later I asked him if I could please apologise to him.
"To be honest, Fried, I am really pissed off."
"I know. I do not like pissing you off, I work quite hard to try not to. I would rather piss off L than you and I would like to apologise. I am sorry that the tone I used annoyed you. I felt as if I was having a moan and I did not realise that my tone suggested I was very cross. That was not my intent and I am sorry."
S reply was "Right, OK." A begrudging acceptance, but still clearly furious. I left without either of us saying goodbye or even acknowledging that I was leaving.

Colleague says "That's what S is like, though. We've all been there." Difference is they're all blokes. They probably wouldn't feel as intimidated as I did. I tread on eggshells to avoid upsetting him because I know he can and does get stressed and pissed off.

I arrived home shaking, very upset. Spoke to DH and I broke down in tears. I felt intimidated by S and there were moments where I did not feel safe. DH thinks I should report this to my boss today even though it's his day off. I said this would not go in my favour, contacting him on day off. (So I haven't.) He also thinks I should hand in my notice if my instinct is right and they're not going to hear my side. But we'd struggle financially until I could find something else.

Am I overreacting to be considering handing in my notice? I have to work with S almost daily and the situation has always been precarious because of his moods. Now it feels untenable because he's turned it round to being my fault.

Sorry. I know it's an epic post, if you've read it this far thanks Blush

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Italiangreyhound · 14/04/2017 22:59

Fried you mention about the fact you felt intimidated as a woman by this man. I totally get that. However, I would take advice on how to phrase this.

I think the danger could be that you come across as intimidated because he is a man (which he cannot help) and you are a woman (which you cannot help)! You said before that the other men can take this guy. But maybe they cannot! Maybe they feel intimidated too. I know sex is a protected category but I am not sure here how it works.

If a female member of staff had been that rude to you then you would have probably felt rightly upset and wanted to complain. I expect you would not have felt as intimidated but you would have had grounds to complain. So I'd be tempted to take advice and just complain about him, as a person, not as a male. But I could be wrong!

Any HR bods reading?

Sunshinegirl82 · 15/04/2017 08:06

I'm an employment solicitor.

There are definitely steps you can take so I really think if you can get some legal advice it would be really helpful to do so.

We deal with this sort of situation all the time. If you called me with this sort of story I'd be looking at raising a formal grievance and using that (and possibly their response or lack of response to it) to negotiate an exit.

A settlement agreement can contain an agreed reference if this is an issue. The not giving references thing is odd, do they have a justification for that?

Please check your house insurance for legal expenses cover, it usually civers employment disputes and so would be a good place to start.

If you don't feel able to return to work on Tuesday due to his behaviour (you are clearly, and understandably, very shaken up) you could call in sick due to stress whilst raising the grievance. You might also want to see your GP. Do you get sick pay?

Given that they don't provide references and you are likely to resign anyway there seems little to lose by getting advice and seeing what can be negotiated. The relationship seems to have completely broken down anyway.

I wouldn't just walk away without at least trying. What is your notice period?

FriedPisces · 15/04/2017 08:55

Wow, thank you everyone for your help.

They've never offered justification for not offering references, no. And they don't pay sick pay either. I have a four week notice period but I feel I'm under no obligation to work it since no reference means I've nothing to lose. Although I suppose they could have me for breach of contract which I would put past them.

I am stressed and this morning I am still feeling upset. I feel like I'm in fight or flight mode in the physiological/psychological sense as well as in reality, my heart is hammering, stomach churning, shaking etc.

Will dig out house insurance docs and start looking at ACAS. It won't be the first time I've had to look into them, the place is utterly poisonous.

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highinthesky · 15/04/2017 09:02

Interview first, then have the difficult conversation at work. That way the interview won't be affected by the worry of the immediate fallout of the conversation.

Your priority should be getting out of this toxic culture, because you alone are not going to change it. Honestly? The best you can realistically hope for is a good payout and to cut your losses. The company culture should be your boss' problem - it will affect his bottom line in the end - and not yours.

Sunshinegirl82 · 15/04/2017 09:12

The breach of contract angle will only work if they can demonstrate that the breach resulted in some sort of financial loss to them. If no losses then it would all be a bit pointless.

They sound pretty dreadful. I'd be tempted to call in sick for this coming week if you can take the financial hit to give yourself some space to seek advice and deal with this interview. It sounds as though going back there will cause you quite a lot of anxiety so I think calling in sick would be justified.

It shouldn't matter but getting a solicitor can make a big difference to companies that tend to bully. It doesn't always meant they'll give in but generally all communication from then onwards would be between your solicitor and the company or their solicitors if they instruct them. That often takes the heat out of it.

whatisforteamum · 15/04/2017 09:58

I work with predominantly men.It is always hard in a male environment to say anything without looking like you can't cope or you look like a bitch.I hope you get this new job.I feel for you OP.

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