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HelenaDove · 11/04/2017 23:19

Being covered in The Guardian,

www.theguardian.com/society/2017/apr/11/no-one-calls-the-housing-association-repairs-line-theres-no-point#comment-96476391

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HelenaDove · 15/03/2018 22:55

www.kentonline.co.uk/medway/news/daughters-anger-at-rent-charge-161344/

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Domino20 · 15/03/2018 23:00

I'm £5000 into a legal case against my HA landlord for offering facilities that did not exist once I'd signed the tenancy. Fucking cowboys is right!

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HelenaDove · 27/05/2018 17:12

From a blog.

December 14, 2016 at 5:21 pm
"I’m posting my complaint to sanctuary in the hope someone can tell me where to go…they cost me my job in jan 2015 as i was in a new job on probation and had to take 6 days off work in a month as they left me and my daughter with no hot water for a month because they kept not turning up or sending out wrong people to fix it, then took me to court for eviction in feb as i couldnt pay rent!

This complaint now as u will see has been going on a yr, iv complained to 3 manager whole have all never got back to me. I emailed them 3 weeks ago as a manager told me in September she was dealing with.my complaint but has not contacted me since, emailed again yesterday to be told someone will contact u! Im at the end of my tether.

On November 3rd 2015 I reported a leak where water was coming in to my living room from underneath the coving. The man I spoke to said he would get a plumber out and I told him there were no pipes there but he still sent a plumber.

Following this between November 2015– July 2016 I have had 12 appointments with sanctuary maintenance staff because you sent out the wrong people, parts had not been ordered or people were sent who didn’t even know what they were supposed to be doing, I have attached a list of appointments and what was done each time.

In April I made a complaint to a manager Craig as it had been going on 5 months, every time it rained i had water coming in my living room. I have chronic asthma and this was causing mould and since February I had been seriously ill and admitted to hospital 3 times and was due to have surgery on 6th April and I was concerned I would have open wounds and having dirty water coming in.

Craig advised I could claim compensation for lost time/earnings/damages and promised to chase. On 7th may following another 3 appointments and nothing being done I went to environmental health as I had now had infections in my wounds from my surgery, in a lot of pain and still having to mop dirty water.

On 8th June i called sanctuary again as environmental health have also been chasing he is getting no response either, i am told you cannot bring the appointment forward and i literally broke down on the phone as i have now had water coming in my house 7 months, im in pain from major surgery and nothing is any closer to being resolved.

I complain to a manager Joe who tells me the job was cancelled!
Now the job was finally completed on 15th July by simply painting sealant on the balcony which Joe advised David bizzells manager knew of this problem as other houses had the same problem.

I am amazed i have been left this long for a simple problem sanctuary were already aware of, It’s disgusting you left me a whole winter with asthma with rain coming in and following surgery when i should have been resting i was mopping dirty water.

Now the problem should be resolved but i have been left with damage and mould to the wall, coving and curtain rail/baton due to 8 months of water, pictures attached. i am told this will need painting with a special sealant first to stop the water marks keep showing through. So are sanctuary going to come and do that and repaint or do i have to do this? I would also like to claim compensation for the time you wasted which cost me money off work for every appointment, the stress of what you put me through and cost of sorting the damaged caused by the water as you can see from the pictures I have a damp patch at the bottom of the coving and across the top of the whole wall and damp and flaking paint.

This is standard appauling service from Sanctuary repairs, in january 2015 you cost me my job leaving me with no hot water for a month and me having 6 days off work because you kept sending wrong people out and i had to go to the mp to resolve and clearly nothing has changed"

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HelenaDove · 27/05/2018 17:17

"I am a tenant of Housing for Women and we have suffered similar problems, if not some are the same. They have ruined my life since I moved in to our home in 2012. Have been a tenant for over 4 years and 5 months and they have ruined my son’s childhood. We have been discriminated, victimised and bullied for years and despite all our evidence, they continue to lie to cover up their corruption and our MP, Lewisham Council and the Housing Ombudsman keep falling for it every time. Actually, they don’t care.
How is it in this day and age, these social housing providers, are protected against their illegal treatment? Every day we have lived here, we put up with ASB, we are the victims and the perpetrators continue driving us out of our home. Our home is riddled with defects and disrepairs, as Housing for Women boast about how great their service is.
Our home stinks of the communal bins 24/7. My child is sick several times a week from these smells as this landlord fails to deal with communal maintenance.
They lied about our building being safe and secure with CCTV when in fact all these years, the CCTV was fake.
The most shocking aspect of all is this housing association is a specialist in domestic violence and as a victim, they have to this day, put us at risk and danger. As well as breaching health and safety, breaching our human rights, they lie about every single thing, making me look like a mad woman. They have caused us so much harm, daily misery and driven me to a nervous breakdown again and again.

I post photos every week on social media to prove the truth, a diary and evidence. Yet it still makes no difference. Environmental health department are just as useless as is the housing ombudsman who had put me on a 12 month waiting list before they began investigations. I sent a big file with evidence. My case officer kept changing. What should have taken a month to investigate, took four days by another staff member for the HO. She didn’t even look at my evidence. I couldn’t believe it, I had official reports from Thames Water, plumbers, statements from neighbours. I requested a review and the ombudsman admitted overlooking my evidence. But didn’t say how or why. She agreed maladministration over repairs but not about teh rest of my complaint. Which is incorrect as H4W lied stating that inspections, monitoring of CCTV and cleaning had been increased. Which is a total lie but she fell for it.

The damage caused to my health, already with health problems and vulnerable, has most definitely shortened my life expectancy"

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HelenaDove · 13/06/2018 20:58

HelenaDove Wed 13-Jun-18 20:50:45

www.cfoi.org.uk/2018/06/parliament-to-debate-bill-that-would-bring-public-service-contractors-housing-associations-and-other-bodies-under-foi/
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HelenaDove Wed 13-Jun-18 20:51:48

The bill would also make housing associations subject to FOI. The problems caused by the current lack of any right of access to include:

54 out of 61 housing associations refused to supply their fire risk assessments to Inside Housing magazine in 2017. [3]
a tenant was refused information about the cause of a fire on their premises. [4]
a housing association refused to say whether potentially toxic lead pipes were used in the property’s water supply. [5]
another housing association refused to reveal the electricity bill which led a tenant to be charged £1,200 to cover the cost of 6 communal light bulbs. [6]

Other bodies that would be brought under the FOI Act by the bill include electoral registration officers, returning officers and Local Safeguarding Children Boards.

The bill would give the Information Commissioner new powers to obtain information from contractors when investigating complaints and make them subject to the offence applying to public authorities which deliberately destroy requested information to prevent its disclosure. It would also close a loophole which blocks such prosecutions unless they are brought within 6 months of the offence occurring.

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HelenaDove · 16/07/2018 19:35

From a review from a HA employee Taken from glass door

"OneSanctuary SAP is the name of a multi-million pound software system brought in by Sanctuary in 2016, designed for use by all areas of the business. It has been an unmitigated failure, and is a huge drawback of working for this company.
The issues caused by SAP are staggering and difficult to keep track of. Because SHA tried to implement SAP in a cost effective manner, they ended up vastly under-investing in critical elements. There is no tailoring of the generically presented system ('vanilla SAP'), which is an issue as social housing is a unique environment from a service delivery and CRM perspective, whereas vanilla SAP is more geared towards providing a solution for manufacturing industries. Thus, the system uses corporate nonsensical buzzwords and methods of handling accounts which absolutely do not reflect industry practice.
Here are just some examples of the more specific issues faced by staff:
No rent statements have been issued since it was implemented in August 2016, and if a resident insists on a rent statement it has to be prepared manually in a spreadsheet.
The rent and calculations for accounts are hard to use, and often completely wrong. Mostly because the system was never designed to understand housing benefit payments, and this has a very convoluted workaround which a computer cannot make sense of.
SAP cannot interface with Local Authorities Housing benefit systems so payments are missed, lost or misattributed.
Direct debits do not work reliably, and for a long time following the implementation did not work at all. Front line staff are now preferring standing order.
The front end system of SAP requires far more testing and money spent on it. Each customer account is a total mess of information, with no discernible way to separate notes left between differing departments, with information left by staff often going into the wrong account entirely. This needs looking at as from a compliance (DPA) point of view the breaches are serious.
From a usability point of view, the view of a customers account within SAP CIC does not display appropriate information to the user (as stated before this is likely because the system was never designed to be used by a HA) and the user often has to go trawling around back end systems to find obviously relevant data (e.g tenancy start date, account balance, property type etc). This is a seemingly minor but considerable waste of resources."

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agedknees · 16/07/2018 19:46

Takes me back to my time living in married quarters (husband was in the forces).went 4 weeks once with no oven/hob because they where waiting for approval for a new one.

Dh was away and we had a wasp nest in the chimney. Waited 4 days for rentokil - we had about 200angry wasps in the lounge. DSE just lied tie after time.

HelenaDove · 17/07/2018 21:22

from fb

"I moved into my sanctuary property in August 2016. My radiators will not switch off. Last year they paid compensation of over £300. Still, my radiators are coming on. They have replaced valves after valves, Said it is connected up wrong, said it is connected to my shower wrong, They have cleaned the system out. I have two switches, one for gas and one for the hot water. They have told me to have hot water on constant, then told me to have it on the timer, Then told me to only switch on when hot water is needed. The last two times they have been out one chap says we cannot keep coming out. There is nothing wrong with your system, it is because I am using hot water on constant. Even if I try it on the timer or off the heating still comes on. But surely if I have my heating switch off but my hot water one on, then it should only be my hot water that comes on, Or am I missing something!
My Daughter and 2-year-old Grandson live with me, the house has been so hot I have to have fans on constant, My Grandsons room is were the tank is so it is extremely hot I had a fan on, it tripped the switch, Thank goodness I was awake due to my ill health, His fan had tripped the switch, it was overheating, smoking and the inside had melted, I dread to think what would have been the outcome if I was asleep. I am disabled. My energy suppliers have been fantastic and have said my energy bills are not normal, My gas bill is over £800 in arrears, My electric for using fans is over £200 in arrears. I emailed them about covering the cost and this is the email I got back from them after I sent them copies of my bills they requested.. Dear Mrs

Thank you for supplying your gas bills.

I have discussed the complaint with our Gas Trade Supervisor who advised despite numerous visits to reports of the boiler issues you have experienced no fault has been found. Upon reviewing you bills the gas usage is normal so I would recommend you discuss the excessive amounts with your gas supplier.

I regret to inform you that we are unable to cover the cost of your gas bills and can confirm there has been no failure in service in regards to attending your repairs.

If you wish to proceed further with your complaint, please specify any issues you remain dissatisfied with by calling the repairs team or by replying to this email. If we do not hear from you within 20 working days of the date of this email, we will consider this matter resolved and close your complaint."

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HelenaDove · 12/08/2018 19:00

n Boxing Day last year, Sarah Henley and her partner were asleep alongside their eight-month-old baby Rudi when they were roused by cries. Water was pouring through the bedroom light fitting on to their son, soaking his cot and their bed. It was exactly two years since the couple had reported water leaks over a stairwell in the shared-ownership block managed by London & Quadrant (L&Q). They claim nothing was done and the leaks then spread to their flat in the four-year-old building.

“In August 2017 we came home to find water pouring through the ceiling on to our bed, which is fixed and can’t be moved, and my son’s cot,” says Henley, who lives in the London borough of Southwark. “I then discovered that a report had been made six months previously but no action had been taken.”

The family complained again and scaffolding was twice erected but removed without any repairs being done. In December, water began soaking their bedroom again and the family was forced to move into a hotel and then a series of Airbnb rentals.
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“Because nobody could give us a timeline we had to completely re-arrange all our plans for our baby’s first Christmas and keep moving between temporary accommodation until the flat was habitable again,” says Henley, who was forced to move three times over eight days. Six days after they moved back into their flat, the leaks resumed and they spent three weeks shifting between Airbnb rentals and friends’ flats

L&Q is one of the country’s largest and most prosperous housing associations, accommodating 250,000 people across London and the south-east in homes built with the help of tax-payer subsidies.
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In spite of – or because of – its rapid expansion, residents on some estates say they have spent years complaining of substandard living conditions and have had lengthy battles over repairs. All 43 reviews on the TrustPilot website mention neglected repairs and unheeding customer services.

Lisa Askew, a social tenant, launched a petition in 2016 to force L&Q to take action after two years of damp, mould, cracks and vermin in her home in Welling, Kent, which affected the health of her baby daughter. L&Q eventually moved her to another estate where, she says, problems have continued.

“I’ve been to hell and back with L&Q. They took two years to repair a leaking water tank in the living room, and our house appears to be suffering from subsidence with huge cracks in the walls,” she says. “I tripped over defective floorboards I had complained about, causing a hairline crack in my knee and soft tissue damage, and had to wear a cast for 12 weeks. We’re trapped in a house we don’t feel safe in because we can’t afford to rent privately or own a home of our own.”

L&Q says that a structural engineer was sent in May and concluded that the cracks were due to thermal movement rather than subsidence. It agreed to appoint another surveyor for a second opinion

On Henley’s estate, leaks that damaged four flats have been fixed, but residents have reported frequent and long-lasting breaks in the supplies of hot water and heating over the four years since the estate was built.

This month, in the height of the heatwave, the water supply was disconnected for a day without warning while repairs were carried out, and L&Q was obliged to reimburse Henley’s partner, Timothy O’Hara, for the cost of a pair of shoes ruined when he had to wade with his young son through raw sewage, which regularly floods the parking area.

In spite of the problems, the service charge has been increased by 18% for next year, some of it for services that have not been provided.
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“Each time we have a meeting with L&Q we are promised that things will get fixed and dealt with and then nothing happens or things get worse,” says Graeme Legge, a resident who has called for help from his MP, the mayor of London and the housing ombudsman.

“Sometimes the hot water outages last as long as a month but the compensation we have been offered has been paltry and we have had to push for rebates when we’ve been charged for services we haven’t received

L&Q says: “We would like to apologise to residents for the ongoing issues that they are experiencing. Repairs to the roof were completed earlier this year and we are installing a new boiler system to address the hot water outages, which we expect to be complete by the end of next week. We are enlisting an external supplier to mend the sewage pipe in the car park as it is a specialist repair job. It is being dealt with as an urgent matter.”

It adds that service charges are based on an initial estimate of expenditure, which is later reviewed. “In the case of this year, the charges for this estate have increased because a caretaking charge has been added,” it says. “All residents have received additional refunds where services were compromised. We have and will continue to compensate residents on a case-by-case basis in relation to any issues still affecting them.”

Last year, Sadiq Khan, the London mayor, announced an £8bn partnership with the company to build 20,000 homes, in spite of denouncing its poor maintenance record in a BBC interview in 2010. A further 80,000 new homes are planned within the next 10 years.

When asked about resident dissatisfaction with L&Q, the mayor’s office said Khan had raised the issues with L&Q but has no remit to get involved in individual complaints

The mayor believes that no one should have to live in substandard conditions, and landlords must resolve any issues with their homes as a matter of urgency,” it says. “Unlike affordable housing investment, the regulation of social housing landlords has not been devolved to the GLA in London. Nonetheless, when housing management issues are brought to the mayor’s attention by residents, his team picks them up with councils and housing associations directly, as they have done in this case.”

Housing associations are not-for-profit organisations created in the 1960s to provide low-cost homes for workers. However, critics claim that standards and affordability are being compromised as they become increasingly commercialised. Figures compiled by the Times show that nearly 100,000 homes built for social rent at less than 50% of the market rate have been sold off or converted for higher rents since 2012. The Chartered Institute of Housing predicts another 80,000 social rent homes will disappear by 2020.

Meanwhile, housing association chiefs’ pay has soared, with an average salary of £166,205 in 2017. Last year, L&Q’s chief executive, David Montague, received a basic salary of £344,000, making him the fifth-highest paid in the sector

This year, in spite of a slight cut, he will take home £408,564, including a bonus and cash in lieu of pension, yet residents complain he has ignored all requests to engage with them over their years of unresolved problems.

L&Q says that executive pay is set by a governance and remuneration committee and reflects “value for money, current market levels, and the importance of talent retention for an organisation that is large, complex and commercially driven to deliver social goals”.

Government cuts have helped drive the sector into ever more commercial ventures. In 2012 the budget that subsidised social housing was reduced by 60% and in 2015 George Osborne, the then chancellor, imposed a 1% annual rent cut for four years, only a year after committing to a decade of inflation-linked rises. This reduced the income of housing associations, many of which fund social projects using the profits from building, selling and renting full-price homes.
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Last year 40% of L&Q’s £1bn turnover came from rents and sales at market rates. Although it is one of the most prolific builders in the sector, only half of the 100,000 homes it plans in the next decade will be what it describes as “genuinely affordable”

n the past financial year it made a record operating surplus of £420m and it says it increased spending on repairs and maintenance from £120m to £173m.

Many of its residents have yet to see the benefits. Henley, who has spent £810 on emergency accommodation, has been offered £720 in expenses by L&Q and nothing to compensate for the stress and inconvenience. She is planning to take her case to a small claims court.

“The leaks have been fixed but the security gates keep breaking down, we are regularly without hot water and, until now, L&Q has blamed the sewage leak in the car park on residents putting wet wipes down the loo,” she says. “It’s hard enough living and working in London with a new baby, without having to move frequently and endure the endless admin to get problems fixed.”

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HelenaDove · 13/08/2018 15:27

From the comments underneath the article.

HelenaDove Mon 13-Aug-18 15:12:29

Comment from under the Guardian article ive linked upthread.

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I used to live in one of the developments in London run by L&Q. One week, out of the blue, the entire building received a formal letter saying our rent was to go up by 25%. I am a single person who works for the NHS who was already paying more than I could really afford. I am too old to still being living in the shared system and unable to afford to rent on the open market on my salary (I have a degree and am senior in my field but hey, austerity) so when I was given a flat through L&Q I was hugely relieved. I was at the point of planning to leave London before I got my flat. This rent hike pushed things back over the edge.

The letter was one of the most callous things I've ever read - it basically said that they knew this would be a shock which was why they were giving us a week to decide what to do - basically pay the increased rent, or move out. There was a number to call with any queries but when we rang the number there was a recorded voice message saying the man who had written the letter was on leave for the next ten days.

On my floor alone, three of my neighbours moved out and all of them were forced to leave London: one was a midwife who moved back with her parents on the Isle of Wight. Others were NHS key workers also.

I am relieved to see that the activities of L&Q are finally being investigated. If they are making deals to have access to land to build properties by pretending to Government that they provide affordable accommodation to key workers when the reality is that they do not, its time for Government to step in. It is not good enough for Sadiq to wash his hands, especially if he says that housing is a priority for him. L&Q need to be investigated
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MinxieSue wilfulsprite
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Yep!

Its called a Section 8 eviction...

All new Housing Association Tenancies created since 1991 can use this section, to evict you as soon as you have 8 weeks or more rent arrears. This option is not available to local authorities.

Housing Associations are increasingly using it as a way to evict tenants (even those who lose their jobs and have to claim Universal Credit, which is paid at least 6 weeks in arrears, and may take the DWP through admin delays much longer).

Don't look to the court to assist you either, even if the housing association hasn't bothered with repairs. The Tories tied the hands of the judges, and made it mandatory to grant an eviction warrant once the 8 weeks arrears had passed, no matter what caused the arrears...

Oh and you are unlikely to get legal aid to assist either!

Then, once the tenant is evited, the property is often re-let at full or not far off maximum market rent. So there is actually a perverse incentive for the housing association to evict tenants, sop the property can be re-let on a much higher rent!

Many former local authority tenants who voted to transfer to a Housing Association, have found themselves subsequently caught up in a section 8 notice eviction...

The only truly secure Housing Association lets (that have the same terms and conditions as local authority tenancies), are those created before 1st January 1989!

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HelenaDove · 13/08/2018 15:41

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I too live in a relatively new L&Q development (Quebec Quarter) that is besieged by a string of ongoing problems that started on day one of moving in some 18 months ago.

Since then I have had to deal with no heating in the first few weeks of moving in, followed a spate of other issues and the latest saga is two huge leaks, the first of which severely damaged a number of flats including mine.

L&Q were appalling in terms of a response to all issues. I wrote to David Montague twice. He could not extend the courtesy to respond back despite profiting off the money he got through the sale of this property to me or the expensive service charge and part rent I pay each month, a portion of which goes to services I don’t get.

I have spoken to NHBC who were next to useless, the housing ombudsman who was next to useless, my solicitor who would not assist as he had a conflict of interest with L&Q. In the end I bombarded their Aftercare team and finally I am starting to get somewhere and stand up be noticed by L&Q.

If I could rewind the hands of time then L&Q would not get my business and I would not give them the time of day. They still cannot fully appreciate the impact their substandard housing and inept behaviour has had on me and my home life.

My view is so your homework before you contemplate becoming a client/customer of L&Q. They need a radical overhaul, the governance process needs a radical overhaul to ensure that residents are treated fairly and without prejudice and most importantly these big housing corporations are held to account for their poor customer relationships and substandard buildings

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HelenaDove · 17/08/2018 16:12

HelenaDove Fri 17-Aug-18 16:09:14

"Ms Nolan collapsed in her shared-ownership flat at Anne Carver Lodge in Stanley Avenue on August 1.

Police, alerted by social services, forced open her door after looking through her letter box and seeing her motionless on the floor.

But despite her desperate situation, landlord Notting Hill Genesis (NHG) Housing Association refused to fix her door, telling her concerned neighbours it was the pensioner’s responsibility

The leaseholders, most of whom have a shared ownership arrangement with the housing association, said it’s an example of how badly they are all treated – whether its confusion over service charge hikes, installing scaffolding to deal with a leak that was reported two years ago, or disregarding safety fire policy.

Lorraine Jimenez, who lives in one of the 30 flats within the three storey block, wrote to building insurers to determine who was responsible for Ms Nolan’s door. She said: “NHG point blank refused to arrange the repair or replacement of Claire’s door and told the police that she had to arrange the repair herself. This is despite them knowing her age and that she was in a bad way and taken by ambulance to hospital.”

And she claimed: “They stated that it was not their responsibility which in fact it is. The door is part of the fabric of the building and is as such covered by their buildings insurance so they had a duty arrange this repair. We’ve been having many issues with NHG but this is just callous.”

She explained how they have all seen the charges for cyclical work on the estate – such as structural changes, painting or replacing windows – “increased by 800 per cent”. And she said the residents association has been going “back and forth” arguing costs

The latest work is scaffolding that appeared on one side of the building on July 16, to repair a leak in a flat reported more than two years ago.

Hitesh Sangtani, whose home is affected by the scaffolding, said to date no one had appeared to do any work. He said: “I’m going to make a formal complaint about this. The last two weeks of July were very hot and the way they’ve mounted the metal beams, we could only open the window a fraction. My 70-year-old mother is suffering with the heat and also with the fear that a burglar might attempt to climb it and break into her room.

“At first we thought the scaffolding was part of cyclical work which is due to happen soon, but it’s independent of that. So why do this work now? When we will be charged again?”

Shelley Marcia added: “Service charges are always a problem. They are never accurate, always an estimate, so at the end of the year you get a letter saying you are in arrears, so you have to go back to them and the whole thing is very stressful – very, very stressful.

As for Ms Nolan’s door, her neighbours paid for the door to be replaced and hope to be reimbursed by NHG.

Her brother Joe Nolan flew from New York after being called by UK police officers and alerted to his sister’s condition.

The 80-year-old said: “She’s not well. The hospital wish to move her to a rehabilitation home but she’s very, very weak. From my understand NHG has the responsibility to respond, especially when it’s an emergency as happened to my sister. They were really unconcerned about what was transpiring. To think police were making the request. There should be no question when police contacts the housing association for assistance, there should be an immediate response.

“That was disgraceful. I hope this doesn’t happen to anyone else in future.”

He added: “The police were extremely courteous, civil and very concerned about my sister and very professional in their work. My wife and I really appreciated the kindness that has been offered by her neighbours who showed real concern. In this building the community should be fostered, not disregarded.”

A NHG spokesman said: “The upkeep of front doors is generally the responsibility of leaseholders, as set out in their lease, though our checks have shown that is not the case at Anne Carver Lodge. However, in these particular circumstances discretion should have been used regardless and the door repaired by us immediately. We thank the resident’s neighbours for their generous response and will of course reimburse them.” There was no comment on the other issues"

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HelenaDove · 26/08/2018 16:54

Update on Thistle Housing Association which is featured on page 5 of this thread.

www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16595801.thistle-housing-association-slammed-for-financial-mismanagement/

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some more background.

www.eveningtimes.co.uk/news/16596905.toryglen-residents-fury-over-botched-home-repairs/

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HelenaDove · 26/08/2018 17:05

"ON every visit to Kerrycroy Avenue and surrounding streets, more and more residents wanted to speak out about problems with their homes.
One couple had to have their house roughcasted four times before it was of accepted standard
And, in one instance, repairs had to be made when the flue from their boiler was sealed in by workmen, causing a potential hazard.

One block of flats had scaffolding erected that blocked their patio doors – used as main entrances to the homes.

READ MORE: 'Our two-year hell' - Glasgow housing group's catalogue of serious failures exposed

For most, they could go out their back doors... but one woman in a wheelchair was left trapped in her home.

In another block of flats, blue plastic was used to cover residents’ windows
While they were told this would be for a few days, the plastic was there for five months, meaning they couldn’t see out and had to have their lights on even in daytime.

One man told the Evening Times he’d come home from work to find two workmen having a physical fight in his front garden
This resulted in police and an ambulance being called – and further delays to his upgrade works.

READ MORE: Toryglen flats saga continues with residents claiming 'turmoil'

Residents claimed they had no notice of the works until Thistle employees visited their homes to say they had to pay £2129.10 towards costs.

Some said they were visited on a Tuesday and told they had to pay up by the Thursday or work wouldn’t go ahead.

One man had sewage flood his home six times
READ MORE: Tollcross woman in housing association battle to meet director over late mother's home

In another property, an object was dropped from scaffolding and plunged through a patio – giving a narrow escape to the owner.

A group of residents set up a website to detail the problems they were having and Thistle bosses reported them to the police

In another incident, a resident contacted Thistle to ask for a workman to repair a damaged entry system and was visited by police with an accusation of vandalism instead.

The Evening Times has repeatedly asked how much the project costs have now run to but neither E-on nor Thistle will divulge the answer"

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HelenaDove Mon 27-Aug-18 18:37:41

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/aug/24/high-rise-tenants-being-ignored-like-we-were-say-grenfell-survivors-salford
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HelenaDove Mon 27-Aug-18 19:16:00

"Survivors of the Grenfell Tower fire have widened their campaign against the marginalisation of council tenants, raising concerns that others are being treated in the same way as they were before the disaster.

Nicholas Burton, whose wife, Pily, died as a result of the fire on 14 June 2017, and Edward Daffarn, who escaped from the 16th floor, are helping residents at nine council-owned tower blocks in Salford, Greater Manchester, that were refurbished using similar combustible cladding at the same time as Grenfell.
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They have heard claims from tenants that their concerns about safety were not being handled properly. After he visited the Pendleton estate and spoke to residents, Burton said: “It’s just like turning back the clock.”

Pendleton Together, the social landlord that looks after the blocks for Salford city council, has so far removed the lower three storeys of cladding on most of the blocks.

Residents understand that the project to replace the cladding and install sprinklers could take up to two years. They have warned they are losing sleep and are scared about the possibility of fire. Last month, Pendleton Together told inhabitants of Spruce Court, a 22-storey tower, that they must keep their windows closed until further notice because of problems
What we went through with the tenants management organisation and the council, they are going through similar difficulties,” said Burton. “They are not being listened to. After the tragedy of Grenfell, you would think people in authority would take a little bit more care in listening to their residents.”

Pendleton Together said it completely rejected any comparison to the situation at Grenfell Tower. A spokesman for the landlord said: “Pendleton Together remains open to discussing any concerns with residents and encourage reporting of them, via a dedicated email address set up for this purpose or through our normal customer reporting systems.”
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It said concerns had been raised only by a minority of tenants and that some of them were unfounded.

But anxiety among residents is running high. Leaseholders in two privately owned blocks in Manchester lost a property tribunal case which means they, rather than the freeholder Pemberstone, will have to pay the estimated £3m cost of replacing flammable cladding – about £10,000 per flat. The residents of Vallea Court and Cypress Place in the city’s Green Quarter have voiced fears that a fire at the base of their building could start a major blaze.

The blocks are among 474 residential buildings more than 18 metres tall across England and Wales thought to be wrapped in combustible cladding. Only 17 are known to have been completely fixed and there is continued uncertainty about when the rest will be made safe.

In the wake of the Grenfell fire, Theresa May voiced concern about tenants’ views being ignored. In a speech in March, the prime minister said “concerns not being acted on, voices not being listened to, needs being ignored” are “all too familiar to tenants in all kinds of homes across the country”.
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Elizabeth Okpo, a resident of Spruce Court, said the fact that combustible cladding was still in place was not the only problem. Fire alarms installed in flats which are supposed to alert the building’s security team did not always function properly and fire sounders on the landings were not loud enough for people in their flats to hear, so residents have slept through them.
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“There are children in the block on the 11th and 18th floors and we have people who are disabled on the 21st floor,” Okpo said. “These type of people are going to struggle to get down.

Residents had started to draw up a list of vulnerable neighbours so they could try to help people evacuate in the event of a fire, she said.

Pendleton Together said the alarms were set to the volume limit allowed under law in communal areas and there were 24-hour patrols by fire marshals with klaxons.

Okpo also claimed Pendleton Together had made it harder for residents to form an association by failing to provide access to the community room in their tower for meetings. The landlord said it offered Okpo an alternative room 650 metres from the tower.

“How we were treated and dismissed seems to be the same [as Grenfell],” Okpo said.

At Daffarn’s suggestion, Okpo has started a blog, Spruce Court Action. Daffarn was co-author of the Grenfell Action Blog that chronicled concerns about Kensington and Chelsea council, the Kensington and Chelsea Tenant Management Organisation and the 2014-16 refurbishment of Grenfell Tower.

Eight months before the fire, Daffarn and Francis O’Connor wrote that “only a catastrophic event will expose the ineptitude and incompetence of our landlord.

Burton was a member of the leaseholders association at Grenfell that raised multiple concerns about the the 2014-2016 refurbishment.

Other residents of the Salford towers have started a blog – Thorn and Pendleton Blog News – tracking their concerns.

“My heart is overwhelmed by the thought that Grenfell two is in the post,” said Burton. “There are hundreds of towers all over the country and people are not sleeping properly.”

• This article was amended on 24 August 2018 because an earlier version referred to Lendlease as the freeholder of Vallea Court and Cypress Place in Manchester’s Green Quarter. Lendlease sold the freehold to Pemberstone in 2015, and the tribunal was between Pemberstone and the leaseholders."
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HelenaDove Mon 27-Aug-18 19:18:12

I posted some links to articles about what was going on with the tenants in Salford during their refurb in the early Grenfell threads while the fire was still going.

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