Justice for jak

[Moodyoldcow]

Nc on this one because I'm well aware I may get flamed and I don't want people to view me differently on a couple of niggles.

m.facebook.com/JusticeforJak/

There's just a few things I'm uncomfortable with.
Obviously the situation is devastating and my heart goes out to Jak and his family but it seems like half the world is baying for the blood of children. Some of the comments are horrendous. This makes me very uncomfortable.

The school, police, doctors have not handled the situation very well at all but they clearly Have a different view of the initial injury than is being portrayed. The poor mite had a haemotoma which became infected due to, from what we have been told, the lack of medical care from professionals.

It all just seems like this whole situation was ignored and dismissed and I am personally struggling to comprehend with all the safeguarding etc in place that this could occur?

I'm very uncomfortable with lots of the comments left about the other children, yes they should be held accountable but they shouldn't have violence threatened upon them. I do think that the parents need to be accountable as well but I don't know, something is just not sitting right and I don't think it should be advocated by lots of commenters that these children should have violence inflicted on them.

I'm really rooting for this little lad.
No child should go through bullying, it's devastating and horrific, but I certainly don't think that thousands of adults commenting on violence towards the bully's is helpful. They are children to and whilst I do not condone what has happened at all I do think it should be handled differently by everyone involved. I do hope that Jak makes a full recovery though and if he has been failed by school, doctors, police and council that it is dealt with properly.

Whilst bullying needs to be highlighted and this little lad does need his plight to end and he does need justice from those that failed him I don't think that adults advocating violence and saying very nasty things about children is helpful to an anti bullying campaign.

Strangers threatening violence against children is always wrong. No matter what they've done.

The children should be dealt with by the school and their parents.

And the professionals involved should review their actions and find out whether processes were ignored or whether processes need updating.

I understand the poor boys family must be raging at every thing that's happened. But strangers on the internet need to step back and shake themselves if they're wishing violence on children.

What baffles me is that schools can exclude children for a wrong haircut or incorrect uniform, parents are dragged to courts over a sodding holiday, but when an actual CRIME happens, then... nothing!

Bullying is a wrong word. Its not some playground spat. Its an assault and grievous bodily harm.

I hope the parents sue the school.

And strangers on the internet are only venting.

I'm sobbing. Poor poor little boy.

The school needs closing down on account of safe guarding or rather lack of.
Children are not I'm school to be hurt. Would any of the teachers accept this for their children.
Okay they can't charge the boys. As they're under 10. That's the Law, so. No point in the discussion, but. Id charge the parents then. The Blame's got to go somewhere.

I saw that Facebook page, the majority of the people posting seem as rough as arseholes. And they are only presenting one side of the story which even for someone over the age of criminal responsibility isn't a guarantee of guilt/conviction

A little boy has had his head pushed into a pole. Resulting in a massive hole in his head for which he's had to have surgery to drain out a blood clot.
What other side of the story can there possibly be.

Poor little lad.

I do however agree that baying for the blood of kids is inherently wrong. His head was hit against a pole, which whilst undeniably awful, is something that could have happened by accident. I'm not saying that it was an accident, just that it's not the kind of injury that immediately screams 'EVIL CHILDREN'

And... How do you suggest people are supposed to feel about this? Give those little shits a good citizenship award to boost their confidence?

I can completely understand why people are angry about this. The little boy has been bullied for quite a while which has resulted in him being put in hospital. The people who did it haven't been punished at all if we are to believe the articles. They're just carrying on as if nothing has happened.

I wouldn't be sending Jak back to that school of he was mine. They've proved that they are unable to keep him safe. Poor little lad, and his mum she must be out of her mind with worry.

His head was hit against a pole, which whilst undeniably awful, is something that could have happened by accident. I'm not saying that it was an accident, just that it's not the kind of injury that immediately screams 'EVIL CHILDREN'

I agree, or the kid wasn't aware of its own strength and went too far. Not saying he doesn't deserve punishing, of course he does. But adults are presumed innocent until proven guilty so no reason why a child shouldn't be. I'm glad I'm not likely to be convicted of an offence because people on Facebook said it happened

I can understand the sentiments of the people, the stranger on the internet. This kid was let down. A LOT. But they're venting. The internet brings out the worst in most people. It's anonymous so they say what they feel inside. It's not pleasant but in real life they wouldn't make a peep if confronted with the situation they're venting about.

I do think the mum should take it as far as she bloody well can. Sue the school district to discourage them from taking the easy route of ignoring a real issue.

I was always reluctant to think that a school would intentionally ignore clear bullying or brutish behaviour cos of course that's insane, right? At least I thought so until I experienced it myself. I check my 5 year old son's body after school every day by lifting his shirt and checking his face before we leave. Often I will find a new cut, scratch, red mark or bruise. There's a kid (no SN, just spoiled and pandered to by his parents) who gets away with bloody murder. He's always hurting other kids, snatching toys or general bullying but his mum is a well known and respected teacher in the district and they never tell us parents how our kids got hurt that day (though our kids tell us!). They don't even mention it has happened at all!!

I can honestly see a similar story to Jak's happening with the kid in my DS's school one day.

This sounds like a long term problem, it's not the way that I would have dealt with it but the parents are at the end of their tether and I am not going to judge them for that:

I read about this today and felt very sorry for the boy. No child should have to go through that. In saying that, I don't think we have the full story at all. Reading the Mum's posts and complaints - it just left me feeling uneasy. I can't really explain why. I hope Jak recovers well.

A lot of people on FB are comparing this to Jamie Bulger's killers

The school seem to be minimising stating it was a minor injury

I've been following his story for a few days now, I think the whole thing has been a shambles and one the moment the poor mite got his head bashed on a metal pole, the school should have called his mother.

But instead, they choose to ignore it and ignore that he was being bullied.

They then send a letter out to all parents at the school saying it was a minor injury and was being investigated, without Jaks mothers consent.

The bully's parents went to the police to demand the Facebook page was taken down and have never once shown remorse or even given an apology, in fact the mother posted that the child was still bullying other children.

Council staff where in boxing the locals on Facebook saying it was imetigo or an insect bite (well done you idiot you've now lost your job) and the school have played it down every step of the way.

The other took him to hospital 3 times and the GP once before he was admitted and required emergency surgery the next day, then a few days later he need a drain put in, then another surgery to removed this only a few days ago.

The mum was pairing at 2am this morning as Jak had a bad night....

The whole thing is abysmal, head would be rolling, but I also don't blame the outcry, bullied have been allowed to bully for years, and schools try and help the bully and ignore the victim, children are killing themselves and harming he selves due to bullying, it's about time we took a harder approach in standing up to bullies!

Sorry loads of errors, I've been awake since 2am

I don't think people should be saying hurt the other children. But they are just words on a screen and are representative of anger - not (I'm sure!) of people's plans.

I wrote a comment on that. My own ds was a victim of bullying and it could have been fatal (due to nature he wasn't actually hurt) but schools are being helped to cover up these incidents rather than face them and deal with them.

Uniform - they can look good if they are strict on this.

Attendance figures - again data they can show off about if the figures are good.

Bullying - no one outside of the situation will ever know or be able to comment on how good a school is at dealing with this.

I partly blame the whole government system of awarding schools amazing ofsted reports on their paperwork and meeting targets and not what actually goes on. They don't even really observe lessons anymore.

The school is doing what ds school did - creating its own paper trail (albeit lies) to cover their own arses.

I wish little Jak and his family well.

It only shows massive hypocricy of education system.

Hurt the children - no. But exclude/expell should be on the table. But i wouldn't be surprised, if they claim some sort of SN, therefore any sanction would be good old discrimination.

Poor lad. Personally i wouldn't want a Facebook page about it with lots of pics etc, but that's just me.

In the "good old days" the bully would have been excluded months ago. It's not so easy these days, sadly. The school could have done a lot more but don't blame them for the bully still being in school, blame the new regulations.

What new regulations, Watery? The current guidance has been in place for five years, and that was actually a tightening-up of the previous guidance.

Some schools, not all, are very bad at dealing with bullying. It's obviously a difficult problem to deal with, but all too often they find it easier to blame the victim. If a school has good discipline and bullying policies and follows them, it should be able to keep bullying under control without having to exclude - but equally if it ends up excluding and can show it has followed its own policies and the law properly, it won't have any difficulty defending the decision.

I went in after another incident involving ds and bullying to be met by 5 members of SLT suggesting if I don't trust the school I move ds - but they'd arrange a managed move.

That student pulled a knife on my ds 2 weeks later in class. The bully got loads of support (obviously had difficulties in the wider picture). My ds tied up shoelaces and threatened to gang himself if I ever sent him back there. They refused to authorise absense due to MH, refused to offer ds support (bully is excluded for 2 days so ds doesn't need to worry) and then when I complained denied it happened and said written statement was a mistake (which everyone accepts as school has dealt with complaint).

My ds now attends a school quite a distance away meaning costs for transport for us and me stuck in my current role where I can't get paid more as top of payscale until he leaves school as I need to take him to school and it's near my work.

If schools were held account for bullying and actually dealt with it these problems wouldn't keep repeating themselves.

The only silver lining is ds current school are hot on it. They do not tolerate it and deal it it effectively. They admit bullying happens and say of course kids will do it because of age and social status/ hierarchy etc.

It seems by accepting it exists they can then deal with it. Wish more schools would take the same stance.

Five years is recent when speaking of the "good old days", Mega.

If a DC is hell bent on violence, as some are, it's very difficult for the school to manage. Especially if the DC's parents are constantly defensive.

Heads shouldn't have to jump through hoops to exclude DCs. If they were excluded early it would concentrate the minds of their parents who would hopefully co-operate with the school in managing their behaviour.

No child should be afraid in school because of the behaviour of another. No child should have to leave a school in fear of another child.

In this farcical of a world, Rail. That'll probably happen.

If the school had excluded the children there would be complains about how they were just children.

They don't exclude and things like this happen there are complaints about them not excluding.

There is no easy answer.