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To wonder why Cambridge have a man coxing their women's boat race crew?

52 replies

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/04/2017 16:57

Matthew Holland apparently decided to join the women's crew because he thought they had a better chance of beating Oxford than the men.

Obviously he is not rowing - all the power is being provided by the women who are rowing - but is it right that he has taken a place that could have been taken by a female cox?

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expatinscotland · 02/04/2017 17:30

Seems fair to me since females have coxed for male crews.

SquirmOfEels · 02/04/2017 17:34

No-one is particularly safe onthe Thames because the tide is so strong.

Though I suspect that might nit be what is meant by 'safe space' I. This context.

All races at this level can have either sex cox, and it is common both ways round and has been for years. It's a trade off between weight and skill. Best person for the role gets it.

fudgesmummy · 02/04/2017 17:37

We are watching the boat race with our 15.5 year old godson who rows for Eton, he is able to answer all our technical questions 😄

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 02/04/2017 17:38

So now even rowing boats are not safe spaces for women

Hmm
Northernlurker · 02/04/2017 17:40

Your concern is misplaced britbat. Have you seen the crew and the cox? The crew can hold their own.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 02/04/2017 17:40

Don't be so ridiculous britbat

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/04/2017 17:41

@fudgesmummy - which team does he think is going to win the Men's race?

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 02/04/2017 17:42

ermmm britbat, there are 8 women with potentially rather lethal oars. I'm sure they will be safe Hmm

PurpleDaisies · 02/04/2017 17:47

So now even rowing boats are not safe spaces for women

Er, when were rowing boats "safe spaces" for women? Confused

SoupDragon · 02/04/2017 17:47

So now even rowing boats are not safe spaces for women

Hahahahahahaha... wheeze... hahahahahahaha... you cannot possibly be serious!

As an aside, is it just me sniggering childishly at male cox?

Northernlurker · 02/04/2017 17:53

Holland's choice looking good so far

fudgesmummy · 02/04/2017 18:07

He said he thought Oxford, so was right lol! 😄

ChillieJeanie · 02/04/2017 18:10

The men's race was good. I thought at one point Cambridge might pull back. Well done, Dark Blues!

SockQueen · 02/04/2017 18:16

Very common to have opposite sex coxes at all levels. It's to do with the psychology and interaction between the crew (particularly stroke) and the cox, as well as weight, steering skill etc.

ForalltheSaints · 02/04/2017 18:31

I do not watch a race where half or more of the crew seem not to be genuine students, recruited by colleges for their rowing ability not academic one.

Northernlurker · 02/04/2017 18:32

Cambridge did seem to have a lot of Americans studying land economy....

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 02/04/2017 18:33

Well thank you so much for taking the time to come and post that pointless jibe, @ForalltheSaints. Hmm

What other subjects that you have no interest in will you be posting on today?

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donadumaurier · 02/04/2017 19:11

100% normal in rowing for the cox to be the opposite gender. Women coxing men's crews are equally common, both at the boat race and olympics, world champs etc. The selection of the cox is done on the basis of their bond with the crew- different crews respond to different coxing styles.

arbrighton · 02/04/2017 19:14

They don't just get to join the crew- several coxes will trial and the best will be selected.

Interestingly, while it is common in clubs for either sex to cox either sex, it is only from this year that in international rowing (world champs and olympics) that the rules have changed so they don't have to be the same gender as their crew and that was controversial....

arbrighton · 02/04/2017 19:15

donadumaurier No, until now at olympics etc, they had to be same sex as crew

VeryButchyRestingFace · 02/04/2017 19:16

I thought this was gonna be a transgender thread.

Damn.

Wink
AChickenCalledKorma · 02/04/2017 19:22

DH coxed for our college ladies' boat club from 1988 to 1991. He has a rather fine women's boat club blazer to prove it. So it's hardly a new thing.

donadumaurier · 02/04/2017 19:27

Arbrighton exactly, look at the crews coming through now at that level. It's normal. And has been normal at university/amateur level for at least 11 years. Can't speak for before that.

Orlantina · 02/04/2017 19:32

different crews respond to different coxing styles

So it's not just 'in, out and go faster' Grin

ZebraOwl · 02/04/2017 19:38

Current entry equirements to study Land Economy (as an undergraduate) at Cambridge: www.undergraduate.study.cam.ac.uk/courses/land-economy

As with all Cambridge undergraduate degrees, your degree classification is determined by the marks you receive in your final year exams (combined with dissertation, if applicable). Am not sure, but is possible that, as with exams, dissertations are totally blind-marked (ie supervisor doesn't get to mark it).

There is such a thing as a "Rower's Third". Doesn't mean boaties are thick, it's a reflection on the fact they're either out on the Cam or in the gym or up at Ely every waking hour. And several when one should not be waking, frankly. All year round, not just in the nice weather, when the river seems to become massively overpopulated...

Cambridge has a pretty hefty international student population. And it attracts rowers. As does Oxford. So they will get applications from people who meet all the academic criteria & perform well in interview & who row. And tbh there probably are still some Colleges that place rowing above other things when they're sifting applicants. Which is shite. But is also mere supposition on my part & I could be doing them a huge disservice. Nobody will be just handed a place because they can row though - and qualified candidates are always going to be turned down because the University is so insanely oversubscribed. They'll even turn down rowers they think only want to row.

But yes. Essentially, it's not about "ooh, you're handy with an oar & can write your own name, you'll do". Not least because to the vast majority of the university the Boat Race is Just Another Tradition. Everyone knows boaties train ridiculously hard, obviously, and we want their work to be rewarded (etc) but building some kind of supereight really isn't what Admissions Tutors are about. Not least because trying to coordinate that across all subjects & Colleges would be utterly impossible...

Obviously am totally willing to believe The Other Place engage in tactics like that. Because GDBO etc. *

(Sorry, realise thread moved on a bit, I had to go & deal with Acts Of Cat...)

  • For avoidance of all doubt, very much joking. I have friends - & even family - who went to Oxford. And I like pretending that this in some way actually matters. Am genuinely glad Cambridge won the women's race today though - someone from my College was in the boat. And indeed people from my College were working as commentators. We get everywhere, we do...