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AIBU to not rearrange evening and go to see PIL?

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PandasRock · 29/03/2017 20:22

This is going to be long, sorry. I'm not expecting any solutions, particularly (there aren't any), just need a rant.

I have been no contact with PIL for about 6 years now, and before that was virtually no contact for another couple of years.

They are toxic, and 8 years ago, following verbal abuse of my dss, I told H they were no longer welcome in my house, as I couldn't trust them to not do the same with our dc (then dd1 - has severe ASD and, with the best will in the world, is difficult and challenging - and dd2 - also on the spectrum; we have since had ds, who also has ASD, who they haven't ever met (their choice, as there have been a couple of occasions where they could have, but chose not to))

H was low contact for a long while, but has recently been talking to them more. Relations between H and me are strained (not related to this issue).

PIL came up with a grand plan to visit. H says he told them in no uncertain terms that if they did come to stay nearby (they live at other end of the country) then any visit would have to be organised with the dc in mind, putting their needs first. Whether he did, and they haven't listened, or he didn't actually put his foot down as firmly as he said he did, I don't know, but the reality of the visit is farcical.

H and I spoke about it last week, when he said he wanted us to meet them for dinner today and tomorrow. Should be fine, except the dc don't get in from school on those two nights until 6pm (ds is only 4!) and just need a quick tea before wind down and bed. Dd1 is also having a tough time at the moment, and while previously having dinner at a restaurant was ok, it is difficult to achieve currently, so not a great plan to try it when she is tired after a day at school and hanging around waiting for siblings to finish after school clubs etc. Not to mention when she is having to meet relations who will not make many adaptations to include her. I mentioned all this, and H was adamant that we should try to meet PIL as they had 'come all this way' etc.

Fast forward to today, and I find out that actually, we're not seeing them tonight (find out at 5.45, so need to come up with a quick plan for tea! Great communication from H - instead, he is going to have dinner with them by himself), but H still wants to go ahead with tomorrow night.

I don't. It will be a hellish time. Dd1 and dd2 have not seen PIL for 6 years, and even that was only a quick half hour chat in a café. They quite literally have no idea who they are (dd1 is 12, dd2 is 10). Ds has never met them. PIL are not great with small children (should be seen and not heard), and awful with disability (will have no idea how to engage with dd1, and worse, will expect me and H to focus on PIL, rather than letting us get on with settling and keeping dd1 occupied etc.)

H is in a strop because I am saying no. He is playing the 'but they've come all this way' card (I didn't ask them to, and did actually say it wasn't a great time to visit as dc in school, after school would be difficult etc).

To top it all off, I am actually supposed to be going out tomorrow night (only a school mums meet thing, but I don't get many nights out!) but H is feigning ignorance, and claiming I never told him. I know I did.

I hate this. I don't want to be manipulated into seeing people I don't like, just because they have decided they suddenly want to take an interest in their grandchildren, but there is no way around it. Either I go, or it won't go ahead (all my fault, PIL have put themselves out etc, etc), or H will attempt to take all dc out on his own, and none of them will enjoy it (dd2 has already asked that if they are going to meet their grandparents, I go too as otherwise 'daddy will just get cross with dd1 and I don't like that')

So I get to jump now that manipulative, toxic PIL have pulled the strings.

Bollocks.

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JustMyLuckUnfortubately · 29/03/2017 20:57

What have you decided?

Bluntness100 · 29/03/2017 20:59

I'm not sure uou are being unreasonable. If you've agreed to split you should not go. Do his parents know you are seperate grandson? I'd go out for the evening and let him have his parents round, he can deal with it.

Bluntness100 · 29/03/2017 20:59

Seperating! Not seperate grandson..😂

PandasRock · 29/03/2017 21:01

Exploded Grin there is that. And if it didn't mean it would have an impact on our lives and ability to take the dc out, then it would be worth it!

Travelling - well, quite. Ds is shattered after school, and just needs a quick tea and bed, not a couple of hours meeting relatives who can't really be bothered with him (they haven't ever even sent him a birthday card!). Dd1 is similarly tired, after a busy day at school. They both go to bed at 7!

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Bluntness100 · 29/03/2017 21:01

Op, I don't think uou can stop your soon to be ex husband letting his parents see the kids. I'm sorry.

PandasRock · 29/03/2017 21:05

Bluntness, I know. Much as it pains me.

I doubt PIL know we are going to separate. I haven't told them Grin

I just want to try to keep things ok for the dc. PIL are not particularly tactful, and are more than likely to start talking about dd1 and her issues in front of her, and not in a nice way. I don't want dd1 to hear it, nor do I want dd2 or ds to think it is ok to do that.

It's all jut bollocks.

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ExplodedCloud · 29/03/2017 21:07

Seriously. Go out. Let h have them round. Hopefully the dc will be calmer at home. He can sort it out, get takeaway delivered and then deal with his parents. If the ILs cause trouble he has to sort the dc out. And bang goes tea and chats and if it all goes tots up so be it. Dd1 can go into her bedroom to get away. H has to tell them NO.
If it gets bad enough to drag you home then they have to leave.

Frouby · 29/03/2017 21:08

Why not compromise with a meet the dcs for 30 minutes for an ice cream then dh goes out for a proper dinner for the evening. Explain that the dcs won't last the evening and shame to spoil it for everyone.

You can then take the dcs home and dh can stay with his parents for the evening.

And he owes you big time.

ExplodedCloud · 29/03/2017 21:09

And this is one evening. If you stop this he may think post split visits will work without you as a safety net.

GreenPeppers · 29/03/2017 21:09

What is stopping you from separating atm and what is the 'as soon as we can'?

If the plan is to separate, then I would go out and let H deal with it.
Because, basically, he will have to do it on his own anyway (just as you would have to too).
It also means that, once you have separated, you will have no control as to whether they dcs will see PIL or not (I assume they would unless tomorrow experience is so scary that they don't want to anyway)

GreenPeppers · 29/03/2017 21:13

Btw, if you go out and he is choosing to stay at home, please ensure that you will not be the one to pick up the lieces when you get back home.
If that means he will have spent the next 4 hours trying to settle all 3 dcs, so be it.
If that means he won't have seen his parents, so be it too.
That's what is coming with having children who have SN, which means that they NEED special attention. He will never be able to change that regardless of whether you are present or not.

I suspect that even if you are going for the meal, you will have to deal with one dc kicking off and all the issues coming with it. No way he can act as if the dcs had no issues at all, even when it is about his parents coming over, and he will have to learn that.

WobblyLegs5 · 29/03/2017 21:14

Wow op we have matching lives! My in laws used to turn up from the other side of the world without so much as a txt, & because of this & lots of other entitled behaviours I said I wouldn't have them in my home. Said dh was welcome to take kids out to meet them, but only somewhere kids were comfortable (asd +other disabilities too) & at times that suited the kids needs. But if they are not pulling our strings they are not interested.

Don't go. Say you can come meet us at x place at x time (as in weekend day or something the kids will manage). If they have come all this way with genuine intentions of building bridges & seeing their grandkids they will do that. If not, better you know it's the same old same now before kids are hurt by it.

PandasRock · 29/03/2017 21:18

The 'as soon as we can' is mostly property related. We've been doing a major renovation/extension, and until that's finished we can't sell.

Frouby: PIL wouldn't be happy with that, and neither would H. He is already treating me as though I am the problem for pointing out why going out to dinner won't work. All I got tonight, before he went out, was the 'they've come a long way to see the dc' line. Which clearly means that they're needs and wants should come before the needs and wants of disabled children Angry

I said right from the start that these dates would be a nightmare, as after school is madness (which H would know if he was ever here for the after school madness!)

The takeaway is probably the best option. Although it doesn't solve dd2 wanting me to be here (and I hate it that she even feels she needs to ask, as it shows that she knows H won't cope, and that dd1 will probably go loopy and H will get cross).

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Kahlua4me · 29/03/2017 21:20

One option may be let them come to your house, not because you are giving in to them but because it suits you.

You can then put the dct to bed at 7 as usual, and then go for your evening out leaving h at home to socialise with his parents...

PandasRock · 29/03/2017 21:20

Grr. *their needs and wants Blush

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QuiteLikely5 · 29/03/2017 21:22

Go with the takeaway.

You get your night out and don't have to see them

If you are separating he is going to let them see the DC anyway -

PandasRock · 29/03/2017 21:25

Kahlua, but PIL want to see dc (apparently, despite not having bothered with them for the past 6 years)

I know you are all right wrt saying H should step up and deal with it, but he won't. Once we separate, I should think dd1 will see him for short periods of time, but won't want to stay with him overnight. Dd2 similar. Ds would be ok but won't go if dd2 doesn't go. Even now, if we go away and are staying in eg travelodge type accommodation, we book two rooms, and all dc choose to stay with me, and H has the second room all to himself. Dds flatly refuse to contemplate it, and ds goes wherever dd2 goes (joined at the hip Grin)

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Megatherium · 29/03/2017 21:27

Can they extend their visit to the weekend so that they can see the children when they're not tired after a day in school?

WobblyLegs5 · 29/03/2017 21:28

'If they have come such a long way' and want to 'see the kids' they will stay until a day that suits the kids needs. If not, don't compromise your kids.

PandasRock · 29/03/2017 21:32

Well, that would be the logical thing, Mega.

I don't know, and H either doesn't know or isn't telling.

To make matters worse, dd2 and ds are free most of the day on Friday, as they finish early for end of term (which H would have known if he'd been bothered to look at the calendar when arranging all this with PIL) I suggested earlier that PIL have lunch with them on Friday, and then maybe tea (since it could be earlier and at a time not guaranteed to have all 3 overtired and ratty) with dd1 as well (normal school finish time). This would seem to be by far the best solution to me, but H could only say 'but that does leave them at a loose end tomorrow night, and they have come a long way' broken record

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happypoobum · 29/03/2017 21:40

Bearing in mind that you are splitting with DH soon, I would just stick to "No, that doesn't work for the Dc" and play him at his own broken record technique.

You are going out as already planned. Do you honestly think he will try to take the DC out to meet PILS on his own? I bet he doesn't!

Shelby2010 · 29/03/2017 21:43

Apart from telling PIL & DH to get stuffed..... how about either sending DD2 & DS for the meal & you staying home with DD1? Alternatively invite them round for a takeaway at 8pm, put the kids to bed at 7pm & you leave the house at 7.45pm. They can spend the evening with DH and then meet the younger children for lunch on Friday,

I can see why PP are saying just let DH deal with it, but I wouldn't put my children in that position either.

AnnieAnoniMouse · 29/03/2017 21:46

Tough fucking luck 'how far they have come'.

Tell H you will NOT put your children through that circus to please his parents. End of.

Sacrifice your night out tomorrow & stay home with the kids (wanker pretending he didn't know) & tell him the ONLY time you will take the children to meet them is Friday for lunch and if his parents are not on their best behaviour you and the children will leave. That you care not one jot 'what it looks like'.

Tell him given they've spent the past 6 years organising their own evenings you are sure they will be fine, but he is more than welcome to go and have dinner with them and go home with them & stay there

You owe them NOTHING. NOT A THING. Do not be bullied into backing down.

🥃 Dutch courage!

PandasRock · 29/03/2017 22:08

Thanks, Annie, Dutch Courage much appreciated.

I can't face the bad feeling if I don't do it, but I know it's not right for the dc to do it either.

I hate this.

I resent being railroaded and manipulated into doing something I wouldn't ever contemplate doing just because PIL are trying to force my hand.

I don't have a choice but to do it, given that dd2 wants (needs) me there. I am hoping that H comes back tonight and agrees that dc seeing PIL on Friday is the best plan not a chance in hell

If he's going to be this unreasonable about this, there's not a chance of separation going smoothly, is there?

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WobblyLegs5 · 29/03/2017 22:26

If he hasnt been who you want him ti be in the marriage he won't turn into the person you want him to be during the separation either

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