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to think the tories are actually ending social security?

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Rubix77 · 27/03/2017 09:10

I know many people believe that any reliance on the state is a trap and I can see that it might have that effect at times but it is also vital for people to survive for many people. It would be wonderful if all it took for everyone to suddenly find secure, sufficently paid employment was to end state support but this is just not the case at a time when jobs are disappearing overseas and to automation all the time.

The right wing ideology seems to be that we must take care of everything ourselves. Get a degree if you can, get a job if you can, start paying back your student loans, start paying into your pension by 25 (£250 a month they suggest) save for a deposit for a house or pay extortionate rent, get married, have a baby but mind don't leave it too late, take the double whammy hit of having a baby if your a woman to your work life and financially that having kids often means then go back to work asap and pay for expensive childcare while you are working if you don't have retired parents to help out which will increasingly be a thing of the past as people are having to work later and later into life as retirement is pushed back to 70! Then when you do have a sick or elderly relative you can also expect less and less support for them and will be expected to do more and more as state provison is increasingly scaled back in the name of balancing the books and getting us to stand on our own two feet.

The senario above is actually probably for someone who is by conventional measures doing well, there will be many others doing much worse due to ill health or lack of oppertunitiy struggling to even put food on the table never mind saving for a pension.

Most of us in this country are reliant on the state to some degree but some peoples reliance is demonised so that NHS or states schools or pensions are acceptable benefits are not. While we squabble amongst ourselves the system we have all come to rely on is being dismantled beneath us and many don't see it coming or the carnage it will cause. Its hardly true that we all lived decent lives through working hard before social secutiry, its a joke to imagine all businesses will step up to the plate and pay fairly if state support goes. You can work extremely hard and still live in poverty quite easily in this country. Brexit is also not going to make things any easier or better for ordinary people as I can't imagine the tories being keen to keep the EU's rules on workers rights for example.

Am I being unreasonable to think people should wake up and see where this is headed before its too late?

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NoLotteryWinYet · 27/03/2017 12:51

the problem with taxing addicts is that a lot of them are in that position because of other factors (based on personal experience), untreated bad mental health issues, poor upbringing etc. There are already high 'sin' taxes. If we're going for better funded services, let's not make addicts the new undeserving poor.

SomethingBorrowed · 27/03/2017 13:03

Well I wouldn't find paying more taxes an acceptable option. A good part of my income is already taxes at 40%, that is almost half! Isn't it enough??
The fact that I never claimed any benefit doesn't help the feeling that I'm already contributing a fair share.
Agree with a PP, taxing dangerous substances could be a good option. Alcohol, cigarettes, but also sugary drinks, crisps, basically anything that doesn't bring a minimum amount of good nutriments.
Limiting child benefits to 2 DC: I agree with that as well.
Stop the right to buy and similar schemes: the state is her to help you put a roof over your head not subsidise your house purchase when poney is tight.

pengymum · 27/03/2017 13:40

The Conservatives are doing what they do best - cutting direct taxes & welfare benefits and switching us over to private insurance schemes.

This means the State provision is replaced by private companies who cream off the profits into their coffers. The result for your average Joe/Jane Public is that their net outgoings increase but their benefits are reduced. Privatisation essentially. The fat cats are smug & happy with low taxes and basic public services as they can step in and set up businesses that will provide alternatives at a cost. Ker-Ching! 💷

Joe/Jane Public on the other hand are busy turning on each other pointing fingers and accusations of scrounging.

Welcome to New Britain!

pengymum · 27/03/2017 13:49

NHS is being starved of the money it needs, funding is misspent on repeated, unnecessary organisational restructuring every couple of years. Agencies are used to hire necessary staff at inflated rates - the difference being pocketed by the agencies. The drugs needed are bought at inflated prices from drug companies. Surely economies of scale, if nothing else should give better prices but no NHS pays top whack! Headed by overpaid administrators and part-time chief executives!
But it is easier to cut services than play hard ball in price negotiations with suppliers and heaven forbid cutting top salaries! Actually, no they will cut visible salary but then top up with 'bonus' payments and inflated pensions so ultimately the fat cats stay fat.

pengymum · 27/03/2017 13:51

Same scenarios with councils

pengymum · 27/03/2017 13:52

Formerly council run services (not always the most efficiently run I grant you) turned over to private companies who use the same staff but on lower salaries/zero hour contracts etc

Babyroobs · 27/03/2017 13:55

YANBU. I am seeing every day in my job how hard it is for people to get help even those with cancer. I am seeing people who have been on long term DLA suddenly having it stopped as they have been denied PIP.
I do fear for the future, I have an elderly dad who is likely to need care in the next few years. I will help him all I can but am likely to nned to keep working full time for many more years myself as I have no significant pension.

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