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To think 2000 calories a day is a crazy amount of food.

352 replies

HairsprayBabe · 24/03/2017 14:04

The government guidelines are just not helpful when it comes to reccomending a healthy calorific intake. I have been dieting for the past 6 months and am proud to say I have lost over 4 stone not so stealth stealth brag

But anyway, the government recommends on average 2000 calories a day for women, even before I was watching what I ate I didn't eat that much (logged in MFP before diet proper started), and these days I would consider 1500 cals a treat day.

I know it is all linked to TDEE and BMR but I cannot believe that the average woman in the UK could happily eat 2000 calories a day and not gain weight! Where has this figure come from? It really is no wonder that obesity is on the rise.

So IABU is 2000 calories a normal amount of food or are my views skewed?

OP posts:
Itsnotwhatitseems · 24/03/2017 18:27

This reminds me of a comment my Health Visitor said when I was Breast Feeding, she told me I could eat extra calories and lose weight...well guess what, I didn't lose any weight until I joined Rosemary Connelly and ate 1400 or less a day!

Stoneagemum · 24/03/2017 18:39

I think from reading this thread we have come to the conclusion that the 2000 cals a day works as the average if the average woman is also moderately active.
I think the recommendation should have this note added to it.

Ta1kinPeace · 24/03/2017 18:48

CBA to RTFT

Ta1kinPeace · 24/03/2017 18:51

2000 calories a day
came from a Time and motion study on a housewife in the 1950s
she was mid 30's and 5'6"
she also had no access to "labour saving devices" or pre prepared food
so she was on her feet all day
AND
she was 5'6
AND
she was under 40

If you are short and older and sedentary you need a LOT LESS than 2000 calories

calculate your own TDEE
ignore the number on the cereal box

SomewhatIdiosyncratic · 24/03/2017 18:52

If I have a super active day, I can get to nearly 3000 calories burned.

Shame it's only a few times a year and that it's negated by some recovery days afterwards Grin

To think 2000 calories a day is a crazy amount of food.
UnderTheDesk · 24/03/2017 19:18

I just did that BBC thing and it says I need 2269 to maintain, which sounds about right. I'm 5'11 and have a BMI of 22.

I would be ferociously hungry on what the Op has posted as a typical day's food.

Metabolism really counts for a lot though. My husband eats about twice as much as me and is stick thin. He just has a super fast metabolism, which hasn't yet slowed down with age. (He's 50). If he doesn't eat that much he feels sick and loses alarming amounts of weight.

TaraCarter · 24/03/2017 19:26

To think 2000 calories a day is a crazy amount of food.

Yes. You just don't move enough. HTH.

Now how did reading that ^ make you feel? Not nice?

Exactly. Implying that other women are necessarily greedy for eating more than you wasn't very nice either.

AlwaysLookOnBrightsideOfLife · 24/03/2017 19:47

As others have said, it depends on what the food is on whether it seems a lot. I could eat three items of food & hit the 2k calorie mark (note items not pieces) or I could eat six meals with 3 types of food per meal to do so.

FWIW I'm 5'3 & sit on my bum M-F 9-5. I maintain on 2,500 kcals/day. I have a high dry lean muscle mass % though. My BMR is some people's "maintenance". I eat like clockwork 6 times a day.

If others like me are/were included in the "average" then it would skew it for people with lower muscle mass amongst a variety of other things.

lljkk · 24/03/2017 19:58

According to a TDEE calculator....
40 yo woman, 5'6" tall, light activity (we SHOULD all be at least that active, yes?), 160 lbs. Which I think is actually an extremely average average British woman.
TDEE = 1942 kcal, which rounds to 2000.
Put her at a more healthy weight & TDEE goes to 1750.

Thing is, right now the public health bods just want to stop us getting fatter. That would be a great achievement.

HairsprayBabe · 24/03/2017 20:13

Shit sorry, forgot about this, it honestly wasn't meant to be goady or boasty. I did actually want to see how realistic 2000 cals is for other people because my metabolism can't handle it without gaining.

Just to reitterate I take approx 8k steps a day - I don't drive and I run three times a week. So not sedantary.

I am mid 20's and I have no thyroid issues but my family are generally larger. I curently have a healthy BMI but only just.

Carbs are not essential for mammalian life, they are just readily useable energy.

I know it is average consumption and average woman.

And I do track my calories weighing basically everything, I think what someone said about dialing back on blow outs is probably another huge factor.

And for all those people asking I did the Blood Sugar Diet.

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user1471545174 · 24/03/2017 20:19

They've been recommending 2,000 calories for a woman all my life (50s). I lose weight on 1,600.

BestZebbie · 24/03/2017 20:48

FWIW I maintain at about 1650 and gain very slowly on 2000.
I'm 5'3 and don't take much exercise, although I am much more active now (at home with a toddler to wrestle) than when I sat in front of a computer full-time.

eurochick · 24/03/2017 21:05

I'm the same height as you, weigh a smudge under 10 st and am a size 10-12. I calorie count and average around 2000 a day to maintain, so the guidance is accurate for me. I have a sedentary job but a toddler and I walk around 3 miles a day as part of my commute. According to my Fitbit, I burn around 2000 a day, sometimes 1-200 cals more or less but generally around that.

baluncanan · 24/03/2017 21:46

You can maintain / lose weight if your 2000 calories are made up of protein, fat and veg... but you will gain if the majority of the 2000 cals is carbs.

Dear lord is this "carbs are evil" crap still doing the rounds.

MajesticWhine · 24/03/2017 21:55

Depends largely on activity levels. 2000 isn't too much if I'm active. According to my Fitbit (possibly not 100% accurate) I burn about 2000 if I take 12000 steps in a day.
A fairly inactive sedentary day 4000 to 5000 steps and I burn around 1600 calories.

floraeasy · 24/03/2017 22:03

Didn't say it was

I didn't mean to imply you had actually said this. Sorry if it came across that way!

And yes, I'm sure it does include the housebound/wheelchair bound etc. What I mean is 'sedentary' shouldn't be considered 'normal'. It shouldn't be our normal state

Correct. We need to do as much as we can. I have a lung condition for instance. I wish I could walk like I used to and yet I could still do more than I have been doing. I think it's because walking is not the fun it used to be though I am getting stronger.

floraeasy · 24/03/2017 22:06

www.nhs.uk/Livewell/Disability/Pages/weight-loss-wheelchairs.aspx

Adults who use wheelchairs can find it harder to lose weight, because they tend to use fewer calories through physical activity. But if you’re a wheelchair user and you are overweight, there are still changes you can make to achieve a healthy weight.

If you're a wheelchair user, you're at particular risk of weight gain, partly because wheelchair users tend not to use the large muscles in their legs, and so use less energy in day-to-day life.

Helen Bond is a dietitian with experience of working with wheelchair users.

She says that wheelchair users can find it difficult to gauge how many calories they need to eat. This means they can eat more than they need, resulting in weight gain.

“Wheelchair users are in a very different situation from other adults when it comes to how many calories they need,” she says. “This can be hard to adapt to.

“If you are new to using a wheelchair, you might eat as you did before, but you are using less energy through physical activity, and so you begin to put on weight. If you live with other adults who need more calories than you, you may eat as much as them, and again this will result in weight gain.

“Wheelchair users can also lose muscle in their legs over time. When we have less muscle, we need fewer calories to maintain our bodyweight.”
Losing weight in a wheelchair

To lose weight, you need to regularly use more energy than you consume through food and drink. You can do this by a combination of eating fewer calories and being more active. However, if your ability to move around is severely restricted by your condition, then dieting will be the main way that you can lose weight.

Sallystyle · 24/03/2017 22:13

I think I have screwed up my metabolism with crash dieting. I also have an under-active thyroid which took a couple of years to level out and I have just increased my dose as my levels were right back where they began at my last check (even though the receptionist told me id gone to over-active.. I hadn't)

So for me 2000 cals would result in me being very over weight and I have to stick to 1,400 most days, although I'm under that a lot I imagine. I don't count much these days. I am slim but have to eat little to keep that way. I could up my activity but I prefer to eat less to be honest.

puglife15 · 24/03/2017 22:14

YABU.

I eat a lot more than 2000 calories at the moment, I'd guess more like 3000, and don't do any a lot of exercise - I'm a size 8-10 (bit flabby rather than toned though) & just under 9 stone, same height as you.

I'm breastfeeding which I think helps but honestly I think most of it is genetic.

Zhan · 24/03/2017 22:39

2000 calories is a lot though to be fair. Even when I have a binge day and at like a fucking horse I tend to take on around 1800 calories. Can't imagine what one must eat to take in 2000 calories a day

SoftDay · 24/03/2017 23:44

I've just checked my old Home Economics textbook, which was published in 1983. I still use some of the recipes. The guideline calorie requirements conform with what I always remember their being. Certainly never remember a recommendation that the average adult female would require fewer than 1,500 calories to maintain weight. As others have pointed out, they are, of course, guidelines and will vary per individual. That always was the case. In fact, my textbook proviso spiel states: "Factors such as age, size and activity can alter these guideline daily amounts considerably." I do agree that most people probably do far less exercise these days than did their counterparts 35 years ago.

Child two to three years: 1,400 kcal
Teenaged girl: 2.300
Teenaged boy: 2,800-3,000
Sedentary female: 2,200
Active female: 2,500
Pregnant/nursing mother: 2,400-2,700
Sedentary male: 2,600
Active male: 3,500

kmc1111 · 25/03/2017 00:55

2000 calories is a lot if you're short. I eat about that each day, but I also do daily HIIT and weights workouts, plus yoga and dance classes a few times a week.

If I just go for an hours walk instead of working out, I drop back down to only needing 1500, and that's after years of building muscle. Before that anything over 1200 would make me gain weight.

TheStoic · 25/03/2017 04:06

I'm extremely envious of all of you that can eat 2000+ calories and maintain.

I'm moderately/very active, do intense exercise every day, and I'd be the size of a house if I ate any more than around 1700 calories regularly.

MaisyPops · 25/03/2017 07:51

But it also depends on your metabolism too and family history. Ive got some slim built relatives who shed weight easy. I also lose it quickly and few years back had to plan a healthy weight gain diet (didnt want to just pig on fatty things).

No idea if its scientificaly accurate buy i think where the calories come from is more important than the number.
E.g. my last costa order was just under 800 calories!
A flavoured coffee is aroubd 350 calories.

hettie · 25/03/2017 09:10

Ok, I don't really know how many calories I eat in a day... If I was guessing i'd say more. But I cycle most days, play a sport once a week and yoga once a week. I'm over 40 and 5ft 4.... I've put on a bit of weight since my 20's (5 or 6 pounds) but I'm basically the same size. I don't overeat and I don't really eat that much processed foods. But I do eat chocolate haribo and drink wine Grin. I eat when hungry and don't sc back much. Yesterday was toast and marmalade for breakfast, coffee and juice, sourdough avocado bacon and coffee for lunch and cauliflower cheese bacon and tiger bread for tea (plus several glasses of red wine). Clearly to much salty processed bacon! But fairly normal ish day for me. I suspect it's down to always maintaining some exercise and never dieting. I've never buggered up my metabolism by denying myself food. So 2000 Cal's sounds normal....