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in expecting my bil to punish his child for her distructive and violent behaviour?

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williamsmummy · 05/03/2007 22:39

one of my nieces was in my care for the afternoon. She is develpmentally delayed and is 10 yrs old, and will go to a special school in september.
I am fully aware of this and have worked with children who are often much younger in there head than years.
However, it seems that there are no boundries in this family. I respect and agree that any form of corperal punishment is not a way forward. However that seems to be an excuse not to have any rules.

Well apart from the children having complete control of daddy.

This 10 yr old child , was rough and voilent with a 3 yr old guest, waiting until i left the room to do this. shoving and throwing things at this child.

Smacked my 8 yr old daughter because she didnt want to play her game, with her.

tried to slap my other nephew around the face, but being quick of foot she missed.

Then to cap it all, she spilt 1/2 litre bottle of bleach all over my bathroom floor, staining my bath mats, and being walked across my landing.

She lied about it to our faces, until I pointed out that she was the only child with bleach stains on her clothes.
We did check her for any harm to her hands, but she was very careful not to spill any of it on her skin.

The other neice 9yrs sulked all day because my daughter didnt want to play her games. At least she was quiet.

My BIL decided that as a punishment he would take the children home early, but that was what the children wanted to do anyway.
I didnt have the guts to mention the violent behaviour , as we did try some years ago, and he wouldnt accept that our son prevoked his daughter, ( and implication that he deserved it)

A couple of hours later BIL rang hubby and said he had a little chat with daughter , who had told him that it was only a small amount of bleach, so no harm done.

This man sees his children through rose coloured glasses. They have no respect for many adults , there father ( who she does smack as well) or any children that come in her way.

My children have started to ask that we do not invite these children in our home.

recently, they have broken a double glazed window, lost some parts of my sons toys , and where caught putting glasses of blackcurrent squash on full heat in my microwave. ( but that story is for another moan!!)

I want my hubby to say something , but he is right in saying that he will never listen to us. so I am at a loss at what to do.

We have been pressured in to going to his home on mothers day, the whole family will be there, but I am sick of my children being smacked by these children. I have told hubby that one incidence of violence or controling behaviour and I will pack up my children and leave.

I never let my children bully other children, why should i let them be builied, but a child who may have learning difficulties, but is aware of what she is doing and needs rules and boundries.

end of rant.

thank you.

OP posts:
Alan · 06/03/2007 17:59

my daughter has a global delay and if I punished her an hour, or even 10 minutes after the event she would have NO idea what she was being punished for. That is why her BIL didnt do it

I dont think it is acceptable for 1 person to look after 11 children, 1 who has significant needs anyway fwiw

Chocolate1000 · 06/03/2007 18:04

How can you punish a child with SN anyway if they have developmental issues? Surely they won't understand what they're being punished for so it won't have any deterrent effect?

I agree with the other posters, 11 children is too many - IMHO I would insist that one of their parents stayed with them to help supervise. Children generally tend to start bullying when they're at a loss to know what to do but this may not apply to a SN child (I don't have one so I can't comment).

At the end of the day, you're the adult. If you don't want your nieces around your house, then don't have them but do offer your BIL some sympathy for heaven's sake. It sounds like he needs support more than you do.

kittywaitsfornumber6 · 06/03/2007 18:16

Williamsmummy poor you it sounds like an absolute nightmare for you and your children. I think you are not being unreasonable.
I think though that you should seriously consider not doing this sort of child care either. If the girl has such needs that she is being excused this behaviour because of her needs then her father should not be leaving her for such long periods. It is not fair on anyone.
It sounds as if your bil has no regard for you and your family. Perhaps if he should ask you in the future to look after her you should say that you don't feel that you can cope and cannot provide her with the care and supervision she obiously needs she needs.

misdee · 06/03/2007 18:19

you see i am torn. on one hand i think its great that you have looked after your neices to give BIL a well deserved rest, but the bleach thing worries me.

is there any way you can look after your neices but also enlist the help of some other grown ups when you have al lthese children over? so yout BIL gets some rest from caring, but you can also feel secure knowing that you have extra people helping?

Socci · 06/03/2007 18:42

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kimi · 06/03/2007 18:49

Yes JJ2 DS1 can entertain himself, in fact he has a better social life then me or he has his nose in a book, (has the reading age of 15 so I am always having to check books are suitable).
The point I was trying to make is SN or not children need boundaries and OPs BIL needs to accept that if he is leaving his child in someone else's care and she brakes things then at least he could offer to replace them.
Ok the little girl is 10 but behaves much younger, does that mean you would not tell a 3 year old off?

kimi · 06/03/2007 18:51

If OPs children hit back i bet they would be told off.

Socci · 06/03/2007 18:52

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Jimjams2 · 06/03/2007 19:03

But if they hit they would understand why they shouldn't. DS1 (7 SLD) pinches me around the neck, ds3 (aged 2 but NT) copies him- I deal with both incidents differently- I have to. In fact I don't tell ds1 off- he doesn't understand being told off, but likes the funy voices and responses people use when they tell him off- so telling him off means he does it again. And again. And again. He's doing it for interaction anyway- so I ignore him -completely, and turn away from him- that way he doesn't get reinforced for it. DS3 has better language development than ds1, and a better understanding of rules and what being told off means, so I do tell him off.

Agree with socci- learning difficulties are not separate from the child. Children with learning difficulties are not "like a 2 year old". DS1's language expression measures at below 12 months- his understanding is above 12 months but below 2. Yet he can pick out a trapezium and a hexagon, and if you tested him on an ability t match cars with people having seen them for 10 minutes a year previously he would score better than any adult. You can't say he's "like a 2 year old" or whatever because he charts all over the place.

Pixel · 07/03/2007 11:48

Well I'm torn on the 'not blaming everything on SN'. My sister thinks I'm not strict enough with ds because I appear to be letting him get away with a lot of things, but like Jimjams I have to ignore certain behaviours otherwise he just does them more. Also he doesn't always understand that he is being 'naughty' or just downright annoying!

On the other hand, he is almost 7 and does have a sense of humour. He will often do things that he knows he shouldn't to see if he can get away with it. He clearly finds himself very amusing in these situations and I have to stop myself from laughing and look very strict. I'm sure that like any other child he is perfectly capable of being a pain just for the sake of it. If someone was looking after him I would expect them to be able to tell him "no" and then remove him from the situation, not just ignore him on the grounds that he 'can't help it'. How else will he ever learn? Of course, I would also expect them to be supervising him!

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