to be scared by school budget cuts?

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My son's school is a two form entry primary. They're losing £805 per pupil, equivalent to SIX teaching salaries.

Although the government says that its moving money around nationally, all my FB friends (Penzance, Abergavenny, Manchester) are seeing cuts at their schools. (they checked here: www.schoolcuts.org.uk/)

What's going on? Anyone on here getting MORE in their local schools?

I teach 2 subjects that I am not qualified for. Its is timetabling efficiency. The HOD has all the lessons planned and I deliver them, that's ok until questions are asked by inquisitive students and I can't always answer. This is in a leafy rural outstanding school. We have HLTAs delivering lessons and struggle to get anyone qualified let alone good teaching Maths. The maths dept has a very high turnover. I hardly ever see a TA anymore and class sizes are hitting 35 now.

"The winners are likely to be the areas with poor exam results"

Not sure about that. Dds school, the one which has had to sack 15 teachers, now has teachers teaching subjects they don't understand and has 60 to a class - last year only 34% of kids got 5 GCSEs at a-c inc maths and English. That's poor exam results and their funding has been slashed.

There are no winners. Just schools which lose less money than other schools.

In other totally unrelated news, more money has been found to build new grammar schools and expand free schools and more academies.

And corporation tax is being reduced.

Titty - the National Audit Office, the Institute for Fiscal Studies, the Education Policy Institute, the Times Education Supplement and even Jonathan Slater the Perm Sec at the DFE have all stated that funding per pupil is decreasing over this parliament.

That schoolcuts.org.uk website explains its methodology openly, it uses DFE data.

The only people who seem in denial about this are the PM, education ministers and possibly yourself.

The government was elected on a specific promise that "the money following your child will be protected". They have broken that promise and schools are facing big cuts, with or without the new formula.

The Chancellor went big on keeping manifesto promises this week. How about he remembers this promise and finds the funding that was pledged to schools.

I'm not "in denial". I'm in Wales, where the DfE has ZERO span of control.

Fairly major constitutional point lost on most across the border, it seems.

Wales had very little input into the current Government being in power as well.

DD's school is rated ofsted good. It is an excellent school - 82% A*-C including English and maths last year, but they will never be rated as outstanding because their budget is in deficit.

If more schools go into deficit there will be no outstanding schools any more.

If more schools go into deficit there will be no outstanding schools any more

How are schools supposed to deliver the skills required to help the UK become a leading nation post Brexit when schools have less funding to do it?

That is the question Corbyn needs to ask.

People saying that the schoolcuts website is unreliable must surely find it difficult to explain that the National Audit Office is saying similar.

*"Ministers have no idea how schools in England will implement £3bn worth of cuts and have not communicated the scale and pace of savings required, Whitehall’s spending watchdog has found."

In England. Not Wales. Not Scotland. England.

And yet the school cuts site shows countries other than England. I say that's fairly misleading.

Exactly egosumquisum1. It's just so short sighted.

This is Tory Britain. What do we expect?

The website explains the methodology used for schools in Wales. It is based on Welsh government data. Schools there are facing cuts too.

Read the methodology for Wales section on the website.

They've messed about with the curriculum and now the funding. What a mess education is going to be in. The Tories have bleated long and hard about labour pouring money into health and education, people believed it and now look what were facing!

Why are they pouring money into new grammars, yet not finding the ones they've already got?

That's a whole lot of teaching staff!

How are schools supposed to deliver the new curriculum and the new expectations without a decent level of funding?

I have worked for a MAT that decided it was going to cut the staff salary expenditure. Step1: Treat all the older, more expensive teachers like complete shit, ignoring their proven track records, until they resign. Step 2: Be very nice to all the NQT's, even though their pupils have made less progress as the teachers are still learning, but set unachievable performance management targets so that they won't be able to progress up the pay scale. Step 3: replace all the teachers that have left with trainee teachers, some of whom have never set foot in a classroom before, and expect them to be the class teacher, under the supervision of the rest of the inexperienced teachers. All the while, of course, the executive head will get a massive salary and their own PA.

Grace...not quite that extreme here but sounds familiar. Our school had lots of older, experienced teachers amd actually on looking round the old head said how a good school keeps hold.of it's teachers....now post mat they're nearly all younger than me and the superheadteacher is paid a fortune!!

I've done a lot of work on the possibility of forming a MAT and as far as I can see the only reason to do it us for the ego of the head who's going to lead it. All the economies of scale can be achieved by working with local schools without the need to for a MAT

They also wasted a lot of money on printing things with logos to identify their "brand".

Salaries are the most expensive part of a school's expenditure. If money is going to be saved, that's where you have to make cuts.

Older, experienced teachers are expensive.

Yup, better put us on the scrap heap then. Who would actually want to waste money on someone doing the job well. And I'm in my 30s, so not sure what I should do with the rest of my 30 years of working life.

There's a lot of economies of scale.here (for good or bad). There's team planning, same rules and regulations for all 4 schools, same award system, same school day, same sanctions.... Then one proper caretaker and other junior ones, one proper HR person as most administration done centrally , one senco for each pair of schools. Lots of support staff cutbacks and all topics and trips in line with each other. Joint orchestra and choir. Shared minibus, joint trips arranged or drama group coming into school etx. Basically run as one large organisation. I think it loses community character though.

Who needs expensive, experienced teachers eh?

Grace tell me when you decide....I keep looking!! When I started a teacher in 30s certainly wouldn't have been one of the older ones. Now....

Grace... The brand thing, you could be my schoool. Although sadly I think it's being done everywhere x